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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 26 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago) (4 children)

Trump has left the G7 and is heading back to Washington DC, and posted these three things on Truth Social

More very public signalling towards Iran.

This is very serious. Anyone on here that lives in Iran, please take as much precautions as possible.

literally having a tantrum on main

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 27 minutes ago

Deputy Head of Hezbollah's Political Council, Mahmoud Qamati committed to combatting Israeli aggression should it come

“We will return to fighting against the Israeli enemy if the Lebanese state despairs of fulfilling its promises to confront it.”

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 32 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

All the fed accounts are claiming dozens of warplanes are on the way to the middle east following Trump's announcement that people should evacuate Tehran.

The images they're posting of this are flight radar of tankers arriving in Europe. They are not evidence of a mobilisation to attack the middle east.

Seems like propaganda to me.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 26 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

Yeah I think the US is ready for a strike already, most of its assets are already in place tbh. They'll probably wait for the USS Nimitz to get there though.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 9 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

Yeah I think the US is ready for a strike already, most of its assets are already in place tbh

This is the truth. And B-2s can carry out operations from Whiteman without anyone knowing about it. Transponders off, and the first we'll hear about it is "very large explosions in Fordow/Natanz".

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 18 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Per Fox, Trump is convening the National Security Council in the situation room when he gets back. Feeling like a 10/10 but we’ll see.

https://t.me/TheSimurgh313/53333

China has requested its citizens get the hell out of Israel

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151965

Good sign, right gang?

“ US President Donald Trump is reportedly cutting short his visit to Canada for the G7 summit due to “what’s going on in the Middle East,” according to the White House.”

https://t.me/thecradlemedia/37543

[–] dead@hexbear.net 25 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 33 minutes ago) (3 children)

White House tells CNN that Trump's "immediately evacuate Tehran" message is meant to indicate that Iran needs to return to negotiations with the US.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-attack-strikes-news-06-16-25-intl-hnk#cmbzofn1300053b7052gxgnaj

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 14 points 29 minutes ago

Biden moment biden-alert

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 7 points 26 minutes ago (2 children)
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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 34 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago) (4 children)

Important to note that Iran has the type of army that many "alt media experts" think is the future: tonnes of one way attack drones, thousands of ballistic missiles, and almost no air force. Israel has the army that "alt social media experts" call outdated and silly: strong airforce, lots of manned aircraft and stealth aircraft, lots of stand in and stand off air launched munitions and reconnaissance drones.

Yet the "outdated" Israeli Airforce is dropping bomb after bomb on Tehran and missile cities in Western Iran using manned fast jets, and not a single "game changer" one way attack drone has landed a hit on Israel yet. The ballistic missiles get through, but there's little counterforce targeting taking place.

Lesson: don't listen to so called experts in the alt media space that think one way attack drones can replace an airforce. After the war, Iran needs to build a strong conventional military and air force like Poland (over 30 stealth aircraft in order) or Pakistan (rumoured J-35 customer) for deterrence, it's clear that one way attack drones can't replace an airforce. Thank goodness China is building lots of manned stealth aircraft, J-20, J-35, J-36, J-50, at least China knows better than the alt media experts.

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 22 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Iran is also the type of army that is sanctioned and fighting a war against 50 countries pretending to be one, and the IDF is the type of army to have the support of the richest colonial forces on earth. I am sure Iran would've been pumping out 5th gen fighter jets if they were able to make them.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 13 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

That's very true, Iran chose to adopt drones and missiles as deterrence because they were the only options, not because they had a free choice. A lot of people don't realise that, the most advanced thing they got out of Russia were the S-300PMU-2 air defence systems, a decade late out of fear of sanctions I might add. If Iran could have gotten advanced fighter jets, they would've. They've made many attempts to do so. But no one was willing to sell or collaborate.

But I've seen so many people talking about how an airforce is obsolete and militaries should just focus on one way attack drones, that they should willingly choose that, over the years that I thought it was worth posting this. Of course drones are important to war now and in the future, but you still need an airforce.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 11 points 30 minutes ago

The drone force would work well if Israel wasnt over a thousand kilometres away. They'll make for good defenses or harassment for the American navy, though.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 13 minutes ago (3 children)

US CENTCOM: "Iran is preparing to launch a large-scale, unprecedented attack on Israel"

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 25 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

Just as I finish writing this huge prompt a few minutes prior, Fartreal issued an evaucation order for Tehran's District 3 - a densely-populated 30km2 section of the city with over 1 million people, filled with many high-rise towers, embassies and government buildings. Tehran is now the first megacity officially targeted for a Final Solution, with international laws and protections at this point also effectively rendered null and void. - Anadolu Agency

Tehran as a whole is a large, fairly densely-populated city with nearly 17 million people, only slightly larger than Johannesburg/Gauteng.

May every Zionist never know a moment of peace and may the hearts of everyone from Tehran to Johannesburg be hardened. Death to ameriKKKa and death to the Nazi entity of piSSrael

damn this constant double-key pressing. holy shit i stg i am going to ram this keyboard up netanSShatu's arsehole

There's a lot of fake news going on this night, there's even an incident from a country that isn't involved in the conflict, I don't know if it's related, so everyone double check your sources and be wary of what you share.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 28 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Al Jazeera

US President Donald Trump has published a social media post calling for the immediate evacuation of Tehran.

“IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 26 points 54 minutes ago

We really are going to see Iran get destroyed because they trusted the west too much and didn't cook up nukes when they had the chance.

Meanwhile china will see their biggest ally in the region get destroyed while they keep pushing out their 689272th final warning.

Admins can we finally have a :china-cool: emote?

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 14 points 46 minutes ago

I checked a bunch of Bluesky threads and the comments were crap. But I did really like this one.

US is more unstable than Iran yet has nuclear.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

The Chinese Embassy in Israel advises its citizens to leave via land border to Jordan ASAP

Likely advising this because flights are closed.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 17 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

US military action against Iran up to 62% on Polymarket. https://polymarket.com/event/us-military-action-against-iran-before-august?tid=1750115878650

Based on buzz I think it's going to happen, the US is gearing up for a strike.

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 6 points 2 minutes ago* (last edited 1 minute ago)

Lots of explosions and air defence activity being reported throughout Iran, any Iranians on here please take as many precautions as you can. If you can leave and want to, leave.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 23 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (4 children)

Is this an official Iranian military account? If so, seeing them shitposting in the middle of a war is absolutely surreal

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 17 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

https://xcancel.com/IranMilitary__

The name ends in underscores and the bio says...

Updates on the Islamic Republic of Iran Armed Forces.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 13 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hmm yeah good point. Still pretty funny though lol.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 11 points 57 minutes ago

See my my recent top level comment. An American president is shitposting about Tehran when Iran is at war with Israel. If that had been in a stupid comedy in 2014 or before - I probably would have thought it was dumb. Yet here we are. What a fucking timeline.

[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 10 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago)

Even if it was real it would be weird but definitely not unprecedented, the official Twitter account of Russia sent a reddit soyjak to the official Twitter account of Ukraine early on in the war, side effect of millennials and zoomers starting to run official accounts I guess.

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[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 20 points 1 hour ago (3 children)
[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 16 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

Irish satire outlet.

Come on you guys, don't just eat the onion. You're supposed to me more media literate, you can't just ignore reality when you see something you want to be true.

There are so many indications the subtitles are fake. You have to believe some insane things about the world to fall for that.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 35 minutes ago

satire unfortunately, but it is hilarious

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 32 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

I've been pretty busy and gone for a while, so here is basically a college essay summarizing some recent events:

The IDF Central Command allegedly, has moved their operations to the underground of the Ichilov Hospital, from the Matcal Tower about half a kilometer away after the building was damaged by rocket attacks. TRT Global, Quds News Network - However, there is very little evidence as of yet to corroborate this claim, as plausible as it is. Of course, IDF has embedded a significant number of its key military assets within dense urban areas surrounded by high-rise towers and the use of "human shields" by the IDF has been documented for over 20 years at minimum.

KKKraut Foreign Ministry has condemned Iran for the retaliatory attack against the Nazi entity before Iran even pulled the trigger by the way. - XCancel - KKKraut FM germany-cool

On the anniversary of the Namibian Genocide two weeks ago, the KKKraut Foreign Ministry refused to recognize Palestine, with the words that it would send "the wrong message". Hmm, what kind of "wrong signal" is the Hitlerstaat insinuating, that a non-Western populace has the right to exist and resist holocaust even through violence, or that the KKKrauts don't want another Namibia/South Africa to exist in the world? - Al Arabiya

Namibian-born anti-Apartheid activist Horst Kleinschmidt had highlighted that Germany has reneged on it's obligations to pay reparations to Namibia for the Nama and Herero Genocide, resulting in the deaths of 70-150,000 people. He is also rightfully critical of Germany's ironclad support of the current Nazi entity and the crimes it commits, the same that Kleinschmidt fought against in South Africa prior to his arrest and exile. - Salaamedia

Kleinschmidt also appeared live on Salaamedia to discuss his experiences fighting Apartheid in South Africa and casting doubt on Germany percieving itself as the aegis of democracy and freedom, while Berlin actively suppresses any pro-Palestinian activism in a borderline Orwellian crackdown. He even contrasts that if the Jews for Justice in Palestine (likely referring to the SAJFP?) were to go to Berlin and repeat the statements they openly voice in South Africa, they would be immediately arrested. - Salaamedia Live - Yewtube

Journalist Abubakr Amed has escaped from Deir al-Balah to Dublin and gave an interview on Salaamedia Live, on which he mentions "survivors' guilt" and further details the longstanding trauma that exists even for those who manage to escape to freedom. He also mentions how the costs of food have skyrocketed rapidly in not only the Gaza strip as a whole, but even moreso in the northern half, with a single onion costing upwards of R600 ZAR and a kilogram of flour as much as R800, possibly even more. A large, 25KG bag of flour costs as much as R20,000 ZAR. For context, R20,000 ZAR exceeds 6 months rent/mortgage of most 1BR apartments in any South African city. - Salaamedia Live - Yewtube, Al Jazeera - Food costs in Gaza

South Africa has also been once again, making the rounds across the world:

Mandla Mandela was arrested by Egyptian authorities in the crackdown against the March to Gaza, along with over 100 others and passports (including his) have been confiscated. - IOL

Muhammed Desai of Africa4Palestine/BDS South Africa and ardent member of the South African Communist Party, has recently visited the Iranian MFA in Tehran to discuss various matters and reaffirm South African support for Iran's right to self-defense. Though there isn't really much material support that South Africa can offer to Iran, outside of both being BRICS members.

The Chief of the SANDF is meeting the PLA Minister of Defense in Beijing to expand military cooperation between the two countries and "resist hegemonic practices and bullying". The SANDF is presently rather weak and underfunded to adequately defend South Africa if/when push comes to shove and the perception of safety by "geographic isolation" is shattered. Have the events in the past 3 years and the language directed at South Africa, particularly from the West, suddenly created a realization that the SANDF needs to be supported, with the aid of friendlier, more powerful nations? - Xinhua News, China MoD

Death to ameriKKKa, de-nazify deutSSchland, death to piSSrael

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 26 points 1 hour ago

Explosions heard in Tehran

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 46 points 1 hour ago (5 children)

🇮🇷🇮🇱| Israel's Kan news: Israeli police will no longer allow foreign journalists to cover news in Haifa.

https://xcancel.com/AryJeay/status/1934677980724216041#m

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 19 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Think this was over some wild accusation that Al Jazeera journalists were helping Iran.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 10 points 1 hour ago

The Qataris, famously friendly with Iran.

[–] RuthBaderGonesburg@hexbear.net 38 points 1 hour ago

Only democracy in the Middle East folks

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[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 23 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Iranian air defenses report that they have shot down a fourth F-35 fighter plane, this one near Tabriz:

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/233230/Iran-destroys-another-Israeli-F-35-fighter-jet

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 26 points 1 hour ago

I really really want this to be true and I want to see some confirmation soon

Because if Iran can shoot down F-35s with last-gen, degraded air defense then a US war with China becomes so untenable that even the bloodthirsty demons at the pentagon have to notice

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 22 points 1 hour ago

This would mean 10% of their total F35s are down.

BUT... I'm sure I remember some were hit in one of the military base attacks before.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 10 points 13 minutes ago (3 children)

Hebrew media reports that Israeli settlers are fleeing to Cyprus by yachts and boats The Israeli government has instructed domestic airlines not to allow these settlers to leave the country on planes.

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