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This will happen when you overwork your populace to the point that they haven't the time to raise children.
In addition to a very xenophobic culture that doesn’t allow the addition of missing working-age people via immigration.
I am going to be downvoted but here we go: In addition to immigration that dont want to adapt to countries cultures and want to bring their own culture into the new countries.
The US is in for something similar in about 40 years now that the "job creators" have made it entirely unaffordable to live, let alone raise children, while also opposing legal immigration.
Yeah, I'm a 28 year old better off than most people I know personally, and I'm not even close to feeling like I'll ever make enough money to have children.
I'm a nearly 40 year old who decided to have a kid at 30 because my career trajectory looked promising and none of my siblings had kids/my wife and I wanted kids. We're those silly optimists who think if we can raise someone who loves this world and is part of the solution, we can make a difference.
I make roughly 3x the average salary and with just one kid.. I feel like I'm killing myself, doing permanent, irreversible harm to my body and mind with how much I work and how little down time I have.
I feel like life is passing me by while I'm trapped in a dark room churning out investor gains I'll only ever see a fraction of while the execs in my company pull down record profits and eye watering bonuses year after year, but I dare not stop, because like everyone else, I'm one moderate catastrophe away from destitution.
They could fix this very quickly with a government mandated one year off for both parents having a kid. Then with government subsidy for childcare/limits on childcare pricing.
I think a very large number of people would sign up for a paid year off, especially if they were confident the kids would not bankrupt them in the following years.
The US is extremely unfriendly to legal immigration. You can be legally working in the states for a decade and yet not qualify for PR and have to leave. This is a major discouraging factor for skilled workers who don't want to deal with that kind of uncertainty.
I had a girlfriend with a PhD working at a national lab, who also had a family with tens of millions of dollars (Euros, I guess actually). She was worried if she didn't get a job after her residency or whatever was done, she'd have to leave the country. If she doesn't feel secure I can only imagine for people without advanced education and wealth.
Yeah pretty much that. A lot of people think getting a job and work permit = immigration. It's not. I'm not uprooting my life to move to a country only to get kicked out 2 presidents later.
And yet every single available h1-b visa available in the lottery is assigned. 80,000 skilled jobs, a huge number of which issue because of employer fraud (the absolute lie that no willing citizens are available).
There's a big difference between temporary workers and people who want to settle down with a family, though. H1B workers are by and large here for a short while only
H1-B visas are 3 years plus 3 year extension. In 6 years time, a person can go from a trained but entry level skilled position to a mid-level position or better.
It's not about career progression. It's about not being able to settle down in the states when your visa is finished. There's no automatic qualification for permanent residency just because you've spent 6 years there
You’re missing my point. It’s a job that’s off the market to qualified citizens for 3 to 6 years, on the basis of corporate fraud.
Well the initial article and discussion was about declining population due to it being difficult to migrate to the states and get residency. You may have a point about the job market, I'm not an expert on the American situation, it just wasn't what we were discussing to begin with.
What the fuck are you talking about?
The US is one of the most friendly countries for legal immigration.
For fucks sakes not only is this person completely wrong, but almost 10 people upvoted this BS without asking for sources or checking online.
https://www.globalrcg.com/post/most-friendly-countries-for-immigrants
https://leverageedu.com/blog/immigration-friendly-countries/
https://www.greentreeimmigration.com/blog/top-immigration-countries-to-immigrate-in-2023/
Source: I'm an immigrant who spent a ton of time researching my options before moving. I'd like you to explain how I can move to the states and be assured a PR without resorting to a lottery draw.
I should point out all your links are from sites with a vested interest in getting people to pay for their services.
Well over a million immigrants come to the US every year. If you're having problems, then chances are we don't want you here.
Great, thanks for the illuminating answer.
These sources are absolutely bullshit just so you know. One of them can't even get their countries straight. If I tried to move to the US (or anywhere else) with their suggestions I would just get denied entry at the airport.
Lots of people are opposed to all sorts of legal immigration. Many people actually believe that immigrants can take away jobs from natives if they come over en masse, and then we won't have jobs for people born here
It's dumb but they believe it.
I am under the impression that the H1-B visa program is taking away jobs from people born here (aka citizens) because it all you have to do is lie about how you couldn't find a qualified citizen to work, then you can pay someone a fraction of what it would cost to hire a citizen.
The point is that en masse, when immigrants move to America, they create more jobs than they "take," because immigrants are also consumers.
H1B visas might be used to make certain specific roles far more competitive, but you'd be hard pressed to make the argument that the tech sector isn't one of the highest paying sectors period, or that they're short on jobs
H1-B isn’t relevant to people working jobs like picking crops, who far outnumber tech workers.
And what legal immigrants are doing that work?
Why do you assume unskilled labor must be illegally migrating? Migrant workers are the norm and usually come in on a temp visa. Huge numbers of undocumented workers are here because of an expired short work visa for something like summer-fall harvesting.
Outside the scope of my point, but fine. Though splitting hairs between illegal entry and illegal remaining is a fools errand. I wasn’t talking about migrant workers. Nor asylum claimers (does anyone NOT claim asylum in this day and age, vs just crossing and hoping to not get caught?).
I don’t mean highly skilled work. Approximately 10 million undocumented immigrants work low paying jobs and are deprived of any sort of benefits or protection under law such as minimum wage, overtime, health benefits, OSHA protections, unemployment and workers compensation for injuries. Oddly they tend to work for businesses owned by conservatives such as meatpacking, agriculture, roofing, and construction. These businesses are well aware that they are hiring people who do not have legal authorization to work in the US. At the same time, they support politicians who demonize immigrants and have made absolutely no effort to legitimize the legal status of their workforce. Huh, I wonder why.
You had said legal immigration, now you’re talking about undocumented workers. They’re different topics.
Republicans oppose legal immigration, otherwise the undocumented workers could easily become citizens or at least be here on long visas. As noted, it's because they like having an abused subclass that won't speak up lest they be threatened with deportation.
This is exactly it. Their young population is heavily overworked and underpaid. There is no work life balance, there is only showing dedication to the company. And for this you often aren't even paid enough to move out of your parents house.
To put this in perspective- in Japanese offices there is a thing called hanko. It's a small stamp that is unique to each person. Memos are often printed on paper, then circulated, then each worker stamps it with their hanko to indicate they've read it. This caused huge problems during COVID and many offices refused to close simply because the management didn't want to try any sort of 'digital hanko'.
The obvious answer to a Western culture is 'that's fucking stupid, replace that with any sort of e-document manager that tracks access and save a ton of time and paper and money'. But in Japan, the gray-haired manager gets respect and is not questioned so the hanko continues. The worker does not stand up and say 'I demand more money and better working conditions' because that is not how things work.
So of course the overworked, underpaid, 20something year old who is just scraping by has no time to go out and try to meet a partner, let alone start a family they won't have time for.
As a nation, they will reap what they sow. The nation is turning gray and there will be nobody to care for them, or replace them. I think they will come out stronger- perhaps in 10-20 years when more of the older traditional people die, some of the younger folks can make serious changes. But for now they need radical reform if they want to avoid a very unhappy decade.
| I think they will come out stronger- perhaps in 10-20 years when more of the older traditional people die, some of the younger folks can make serious changes.
Why does this sound like how Rogaine works with hair?
I don't think so. This sounds like a stunting that only ever leads to the same method of doing things.
By the way, holy shit is Japan inefficient.
Oh...so why are countries with short working hours and long vacations also having the same issues?
Different causes can lead to the same effect.