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US ambassador to Israel says US no longer pursuing goal of independent Palestinian state
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Jun 2025
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Ok, so assume all things equal, everything happens the same in Gaza... Trump is still significantly worse in every other facet. So yea, all third party voters and non voters are fucking moronic Trump supporters. A bunch of ignorant fuckwits that think that they made a difference by standing up against the establishment. Congrats, we got Trump.
There's only so many ways to say that there were two outcomes last November, and everyone knew that. If y'all can't wrap your head around that reality 6 months later, then that says everything about your ability to reason.
Why I don't get is why the democrats ran a chicken race with democracy for a widely despised policy when they knew the stakes. We can call the electorate morons all day and even have point, but they are supposed to be smart.
The why doesn't strike me as hard. A number of domestic voting blocks in critical swing states will mobilize hard against any perceived flagging of support of Israel. It will play poorly in the press broadly, and opponents will successfully fundraise on the issue.
The worst part is the party is being entirely realistic. Jeremy Corbyn showed what happens when a party leadership is not sufficiently supportive of Israel. Any left of center leader will be tagged as radical, but the accusations of harboring antisemitic elements lost labour what should have been a landslide victory.
Continuing to write Israel a blank check may be widely despised, but the left might hold their nose and vote blue anyway. The left is famously never satisfied, so what else is new?
Even when Bidens line was far to the right of every previous admin besides Donalds? I have a hard time believing there wasn't a coalition holding line possible here when it was a majority possition.
that’s absolutely true too! there are multiple parties who share the responsibility… as always, the world is complex and rarely are things black and white
The most basic job responsibility of a politician is to get elected. Democrats' only platform is "at least we're not as bad as the other guys" but the other guys only get worse and worse while democrats follow along, making sure to be just different enough to make people think they have a choice, but not different enough to change the course of our country and its servitude to the ultra-rich.
You're arguing with people on here who most likely voted for Harris. I know I did. However, who I vote for doesn't matter when democrats are so bad at looking appealing and fighting for a winning chance that my vote is drowned out by others not paying attention or who are gerrymandered away (or otherwise suppressed).
I'm specifically arguing with/against non voters, 3rd party voters, and Trump voters. I also pinched my nose and voted for Harris in November. I'm not going to argue for the democratic party, because it's the second worst major party in the US, and they suck. Unfortunately, we are a FPtP nation, so in the general we get two options and get to pick who's less bad. Lot's of people that voted for Harris did so with that in mind.
Doesn't matter what the Democrats platform was.
If they were concerned about Gaza and didn't vote Harris, then they didn't care about Gaza. Because of them Trump got elected like everyone told them, and made the situation in Gaza worse.
If democrats were concerned about stopping trump and ignored voters, then they didn't care about stopping trump. Because of them trump got elected like everyone told them, and made the situation in Gaza worse.
The main argument was never "Trump is no worse than Harris". To argue against this is fighting windmills.
The argument has always been, of the two candidates, one of which will win, which is less bad? People that voted third party or didn't vote decided that Trump is less bad.
No it wasn't. That's disregarding a heap of systemic criticism and historical and moral considerations.
It was, because that's reality. It does disregard a lot of criticism, because again, at the end of the day, there were two candidates, and one was going to win. Harris wasn't, imo, a good candidate, but Trump was a far worse.
In the US, it's been that way for the better part of the past century, because FPtP always devolves to a two party system. This past election was no different.