But an important consideration should be whether one's actions actually contribute to Russia withdrawing sooner, or if they instead help justify further, equally self-interested NATO involvement in the war.

Unless you are Russian, it's most likely the latter.

There are two imperialist blocs involved in the conflict, and it doesn't matter which one of them technically started it.

[–] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There are two imperialist blocs involved in the conflict, and it doesn’t matter which one of them technically started it.

I'm sorry, but when it involves one imperialist bloc invading a smaller country, then it does matter.

Do you have the same position regarding the Vietnam war, Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan? Or do you only support whichever side is not aligned with the US?

[–] trot@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I literally said that

Russian anti-war activists have a correct position.

Are you aware that it's possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

You can even make sure you are consistent with both things in action 100% of the time - it's a neat little trick called "opposing the position of your own government".

[–] orizuru@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you aware that it’s possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

I am.

But do you believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia without NATO's weapon supply?

[–] Sphere@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He most likely doesn't believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia with NATO's weapon supply, and for good reason, given how clearly this is demonstrated by the utter failure of the vaunted counter-offensive. The only thing your position is really advocating is the useless deaths of vast numbers of Ukrainians (and Russians, for that matter).

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The mere fact that they are in the act of a counter offensive after Russia tried to blitz then shows that it's not even close to what you're describing.

Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Russia tried to blitz

The mere fact that you believe this shows how steeped in western propaganda you are

At no point was Russia's strategy a blitz, this is a lie meant to equate Russia with nazi Germany and Pitin With Hitler even though it's still ukkkraine celebrating Bandara as a national hero

No Russia's gameplan from the start has been what it has been for almost 100 years, Soviet tactics not that that coked up nazi blitzkreig bullshit

The attack on Kiev was likely a feint

Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

The cope levels are off the charts

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The second you call Russia's actions imperialist you just broadcast that you're someone who just uses words for their impact and not their meaning and you should be completely disregarded in any conversation on the topic

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL invading other countries and annexing their territories does not qualify as imperialism.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net -1 points 1 year ago

Finally one of you libs has learned this