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I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying to make.
The USA was built the same way all nations were, by subjugation and eradication but we are one of the few looked down on for it and outright called irredeemable for it
Oh! Lookie here, a fascist for breakfast. My day is off to a lovely start.
The difference is in the history. America has NEVER been honest about its origins. No other modern nation was built on slavery like we were. Britain abolished it decades before America. And after WWII, they gave up the rest of their colonies because it was the right thing to do. That's when the American Empire took off. Naval bases in every country. Global watchdog, above the laws everyone else has to follow.
America? It only stopped genociding Indians when they were such a small population that they couldn't pose a threat to the white man, and it still fucks them over every chance it can. Edit: oh yeah, and then it painted them as villains in cowboy movies for half a century. Nice.
Racism is so deeply embedded in America that the simple claim that black lives matter turned into a controversy. You know what a normal nation would've done? Examine their police. Us? We said fuck those people, let the racist cops do whatever they want. Do you have any clue what it's like to raise a black son in America? I'm white myself so I can't speak firsthand, but I have talked to numerous people who've told me about "the Talk". You know about this? It's not the birds and the bees, it's about how to behave around cops so they don't kill you. How insanely fucked up does your country have to be for that??
This is called honesty. Progress can't be made without it.
I've made it my life's work to fight white supremacy in the blue collar South and I'll fucking devour you whole.
Edit: I'd like to print out to anyone stumbling across this that that sumbitch knows I'm right and is lying bloodied in the mud at my feet, crying, like a little bitch. Just like the ones I've beaten in real life after they insisted on dancing. Bullies have come after me my whole fuckin life and I've learned EXACTLY how they work. I know the strategies fascists use on forums like these. And I'll bet you've logged me, maybe you've got someone looking into me. I don't doubt the fascist Musk's AI has flagged me for all kinds of shit and it's just a matter of time now.
I ain't fuckin scared of you, and your mother should be ashamed.
It's not so much you're right (you only have part of the equation) but the absolute dedication to walking yourself off about how righteous you are and how you "left me bleeding on the ground" much like other white folk have physically left me in the past for my heritage. You immediately declared me a fascist for disagreeing with you and while you made good points it's lost in your threat based rhetoric and chest beating antics, I hope you get better and less intolerant Settler
Look, I do mean it when i say im sorry. I don't actually like being angry, it bugs me. But actual fascists are somehow everywhere around me in the Deep South, man. And I've seen a lot of em sneak on here and argue in bad faith. I've got a zero tolerance for white supremacy and that's where I thought you were coming from.
So. I came out a bit too aggressive there, but I will remind you that until you tell someone who you are on here, youre basically anonymous.
I am curious to the original point of contention, though - why would you defend America's founding?
Because the founding of the USA and its history is a complex thing as a nation its done many wrongs like its contemporaries and forebears but it's also done a great deal of good. There's also a bit of "What's the point?" Being mad about the USA existing is pointless, it's founding went like almost every nation in human history, with violence lies and political bullshitting. It's far more productive and less damaging to my mental health to focus on what needs to be fixed
I mean, yeah, just about every state has rotten roots. The problem is that a lot of other states have at least pretended to develop in an honest way - the US is constantly misrepresenting the history of non-whites, though, and pretty much always had. Until actual reparations are given out, and Native Americans have genuine autonomy, im never going to be a fan.
But, I get where youre coming from.
Less intolerant?? Look buddy im sorry i didn't somehow know you were Native but if youre still waving an American flag after the last six months I don't care.
I got pissed off because you were defending the US in the midst of all this. Im a goddamn anarchist. I routinely remind other crackers whose land we stole.
So maybe its a good thing I pissed you off so much youre coming back to this after how long now? Two months my god
Jerboa regurgitated it into my inbox for some reason and I simply decided I had something to say. The sheer vitriol was concerning, I've seen it in my personal life and watched that kind of anger twist people who were once my friends into people I no longer recognize
Eh, when I think I've got a white supremacist in my sights, yeah, I get mad. The point is to intimidate them like they do minorities. Actual fascists should have to worry for their safety, i have zero sympathy for anyone who chooses white supremacy.
But I agree otherwise. Still doesn't answer my other question, though.
You dishonor everyone who died fighting the fascists by misusing that word. You are screaming over the lived experience of an indigenous man and throwing slurs. Hell you accused me of working for Musk because I disagree with you partially. Do some introspection. But go on, tell me more about how you beat me, thump your chest and never stop to think
Excuse me? First off, you defended the US government. That was the point you made when prompted.
Look I don't try to talk over anyone. You didn't bring identity into it until just now. I genuinely try to be mindful of my privilege at all times and have for a while.
But you should know as well as anyone that the US is, especially now, a fascist dictatorship, and doesn't need white knights (ironically) stepping up to say "oh poor America it gets such a bad rap for its long history of subjugation".
That was the point I was making. Which, I feel, is pretty fair. But I'll listen if you've got something to say.