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This is even more nuts than removing fluoride from municipal water systems. At least with that, parents who believe the science that their kids' teeth will be better off with targeted fluoride treatment can buy the drops and tablets, and those who are afraid for some reason can choose to just not use it.
This is just trying to ban access to fluoride entirely, despite research showing its benefits and the distinct lack of significant harm. Madness.
What next, are they going to criminalize sending fluoride drops/pills through the mail, like mifepristone?
Calgary, AB Canada removed fluoride and a decade later added it back after seeing the effects of its absence.
They just banned it in Florida, with Meatball DeSatan calling it "forced medication," and that if parents want their kids to have fluoride, they can give it to them. Now they want to ban those products, too.
So now we're just going to reconfigure our entire society to indulge the fantasies of conspiracy theory weirdos?
Until Americans get off their couch and do something, yes.
I kinda buy the "forced medication" argument, but rather than removing the municipal water requirement, I think the municipality should provide water filters for those that want to opt-out.
I think the evidence is fairly clear that, in this case, opt-in should be the default as it protects VASTLY more than it harms.
Nah, I'm perfectly ok with "forced medication" when the societal benefit vastly outweighs the side effects. Mandatory vaccination, nutritionally supplemented food for children to aid in development, minor things like fluoride that reduce healthcare costs and promote long-term health, bring it on.
Giving credence to unsupported "skepticism" undermines the necessary faith in public infrastructure. Faith is a careful word choice here. I don't expect the average person to really understand the benefits and chemistry and p-values, as much as I'd like them to. Some things just need doing because you trust the authority saying so. (And right now there are precious few American authorities worthy of trust.)
I can't agree. Bodily autonomy isn't a compromise position for me, and I think "faith" is a vice, not a virtue.
It's not a compromise it's the cost of a functioning society. Measles. Smallpox. Polio. Whooping cough. There are extremely real costs to "personal choice" in the face of disease. Those costs are quite often passed on to children. Rickets. Fetal alcohol syndrome. I don't think parents should be free to make harmful choices for their offspring.
Faith is the compromise. I wish that every single adult had the education, interest, and wherewithal to make ethical and well-informed decisions about themself and their dependents but that's not the world we live in.
Bodily autonomy doesn't allow parents to make choices for children. It does allow people to make choices for themselves. Nice try at shifting those goalposts, tho.
The context of this thread is healthcare for children.
No reason to reconfigure anything. They have droves of people willingly agreeing to and gobbling this shit up. Our society is fundamentally broken
Well yeah. These are extremists, absolutists, radicals. Their dogma must be simple and without exceptions. If they admit even one scenario where fluoride has more benefits than deficits, their whole ideology and worldview crumbles. Nuance is an existential threat.
Narcissism as a fascist dictatorship of a whole country.
The mechanisms of narcissism and of cults are remarkably similar.
You could make a great movie about the fluoride prohibition of the 2020s.
[Opening shot: A dark, rain-slicked cityscape. Neon signs flicker. A child’s toothbrush lies abandoned in a puddle.]
Narrator (gravelly voice): In a world where fluoride is forbidden…
[Cut to a sleek black SUV speeding through a checkpoint. Inside, a woman in a lab coat loads a capsule into a hidden compartment behind a false toothpaste tube.]
Narrator: …one syndicate dares to keep the smiles alive.
[Cue dramatic music. A warehouse door slams open. Inside: crates of fluoride tablets, glowing faintly blue. Armed guards in dental scrubs patrol the perimeter.]
Agent Plaque (sternly): “They’re dosing kids in back-alley clinics. We need to shut them down—permanently.”
[Montage: high-speed chases through suburban cul-de-sacs, a drone crashing into a jungle gym, a slow-motion shot of a fluoride pill flying through the air and landing in a glass of water.]
The Molar (smirking): “You can take the fluoride out of the pharmacies… but you can’t take the sparkle out of the people.”
[Cue epic music drop. Explosions. A toothbrush sword fight. A child grinning with unnaturally white teeth.]
Narrator: This summer… the fight for dental freedom begins.
FLUORIDE WARS: THE SPARKLE SYNDICATE
Coming soon to a theater near you. Brush responsibly.
Having fluoride in the water means that you are constantly maintaining a level of fluoride in your saliva which then integrates with the surface layer of your teeth throughout the day as you drink water. If you limit it to just toothpaste then that function only occurs for the small amount of time following brushing your teeth.
Jfc, multiple studies have shown that increased flouride in drinking water decreases the number of caries in the populations teeth. Its not homeopathic, if it was you wouldn't even be talking about it because the levels wouldnt be testable. It's not the ingestion that matters, its having the appropriate level of fluoride in the thing you put in your mouth all day every day that keeps the levels up in your mouth so your teeth keep absorbing it. The benefits of improved population dental health far outweigh the public monetary cost of doing it and the personal health cost to you, a person who brushes your teeth, which is zero.
Luckily one of my friends has already been down the ridiculous path you're travelling, so I've had the opportunity to spend quite a lot of time reading studies relating to this subject. I'm all good on the topic of water flouridation and dental hygiene thanks.
The mechanism for preventing caries via fluoridated water is the same whether the water is treated by a municipality or treated at home. It is proven effective. Your tips on brushing are great, but they are only effective for the 2 to 3 half hour periods following that brushing. Fluoridated water prevents caries, that is a fact. So why rob yourself of a safety net for good dental hygiene?
So as much as I 'loved' watching my friend descend into madness with anti fluoridation nonsense, I've had my fill. You asked for the scientific backed mechanism for how fluoridated water helps prevent caries, and I provided that. You clearly didn't actually want that, so I'm done here. Have fun bud.
They said they were done dude.
What? Dilute to rest of the body mass? Don't think u understand how this works..
You'd be astonished how many people don't brush their teeth, so....
No I think they should just flourinate the water
Well really people should brush their teeth but also since people won't - including parents who won't make their kids do it, and that's not their fault. So flourinate the water.
I do not assert that merely swallowing water with fluoride offers any benefit to do with dental health.
It should be obvious that the act of directly swallowing water containing fluoride would give the water little to no opportunity to interact with one's teeth, which would be required for the intended preventative effect.
This is very similar to the decision by most nations to put low base levels of iodine in table salt. Given peoples' daily habits and diet, it was determined to be a safe and reliable way of ensuring exposure to a needed substance for general health. Not everyone has or will have the discipline to apply fluoridated paste to their teeth regularly (hell, many people don't even brush their teeth regularly!). Nor would many people take steps to ensure they had a recommended dose of iodine if they had to think about it, rather than just getting it through their daily meal ...
It should be clear to anyone that it's the incidental daily, weekly, monthly, yearly cumulative effect of fluoridated water, even in the brief interval before it is swallowed, swishing in the mouth and in direct contact with teeth, that can be of benefit.
Explain to me the science of how municipal fluoridation causes health issues so severe that it should be discontinued.
I see you haven't interacted with many kids with special needs. Not everything in life can be easily "enforced" for everyone.
Also watch them ban fluoride toothpaste next.
This article is about the FDA pulling approval from prescription fluoride. Reading comprehension is hard, I know.
Impressively ignorant and single minded take. Remove a possible solution from everyone because there is some other solution that may not work for everyone?
Get your crackpot bullshit out of here please, any method that gets humans flouride to protect their teeth is good, and defending less choices to accomplish that, or removing it from municipal water is incredibly stupid and must be being done for some shady reason by our chief worm brain and his cohort of dentist office owning buddies.
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Are you just being intentionally argumentative?
"Well I sort of agree with my flawed understanding of what they're doing so it must be fine."
We've already played this game with abortion. Stop justifying insanity.
Do you really believe they will have fluoride prescriptions?
Edit: from the article: will begin the process of pulling prescription fluoride drops and tablets for children off the market.
They're not on general sale, they're prescription. I've never been recommended these as a kid or as a parent (for my kids) and this is the first I've heard they even existed. They must be uncommon at best.
Hey everyone. It's bad faith. Like, really bad faith. Watch OP say some stupid shit:
A reasonable user mentions an obstacle to childhood toothbrushing:
OP:
Also OP, later in that same thread:
See how that works? Remember what this article is about?
It's bad faith conspiracy shit. Moderators? Anyone? (Edit: Thanks Mods!)
Easy, you don't swallow them.
They're chewables.
Yeah, I was prescribed them when I was younger (The wonders of living in a state that still doesn't fluoridate the water supply). They were small little red pills that you had to chew on and then rub the "paste" on your teeth with your tongue.
Imagine basically dehydrated toothpaste, had a chalky texture, not the greatest.
The tablets get chewed before they are swallowed.