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So no dogfight at all. Thanks, Newsweek.
Dogfight as in two dogs barking each other with a fence in the middle... 😅
That's the reality of a modern day "dog fight". All radar and ECM...
No one said modern war would be more exciting...
That's modern dogfighting. Don't viate enemy airspace so ground AA can't get you. Rely on BVR missiles because if you are in range with guns something went terribly wrong
On the off chance that you're not joking, what @Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works is pointing out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight
A "dogfight" isn't just a synonym for an air-to-air engagement, but specifically refers to a close-range one.
Has there been a actual dogfight since Vietnam?
Falklands had several well documented ones. mirages vs harriers with aim9Ls, it didn't end well for the Argentines
There were some in the first gulf war. People forget but iraq had the sixth largest airforce at the time and were able to shoot down a couple American planes before being overwhelmed and fleeing to Iran.
That's ironic, given their war before.
Topgun
I mean, if we consider that some long-range middle engagements are launched from thousand of miles away, surely 100mi can be considered 'close range' by comparison?
How long does it even take a jet to travel 100mi when going Mach 2 or 3?
2-3 min at 8,000 m height.
This is most modern day combat. Getting shot at by things from tens to hundreds of kms. Most people think of WW2 action movies, which are already pretty unrealistic. Or maybe in this case Star Wars dogfights, which are just... lol
So the air version of their border guard dancy thing where the challenge is who stomps the loudest wins, while random people around enjoy the ridiculous show while eating pop corn.
Tbf thats literally exactly what most all warfare was more like prior to WWI
I think what @Renohren@lemmy.world's referring to is that India and Pakistan have, in the past, conducted nonviolent ceremonies at the border involving soldiers from each side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LixwXJpggME
I believe that the painting that you're talking about was from an American Civil War battle that was close enough to a city (Washington DC?) that spectators decided to show up to watch. A bunch of people (including, IIRC, spectators) did die. That wasn't being done with the intent of ceremony.
kagis
The First Battle of Bull Run.
https://www.history.com/articles/worst-picnic-in-history-was-interrupted-by-war
Just to confirm, Tineye finds one match corresponding to your image, called "CivalWar_PicnicAtManassas.jpg", so I suspect that's from that battle.
I don't think that I'd call that very representative of even American Civil War battles, though, much less of all prior battles in history.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn-mSHceYYQ
Yeah, instead of shooting missiles they can just try to outdo each other in aerial maneuvers or something.
Do a flip!