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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) by root@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
 

The scariest part of this recent news is that TM Signal seem(ed) to be interoperable. People using TM Signal could interact with actual Signal users. How are you to know whether or not your groups have people using bastardized versions of Signal? Are things like Session interoperable with Signal?

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[–] root@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yes of course. Signal can archive messages and they can be restored, you can screenshot messages and you can have them backed up as part of a policy like icloud backups.

My question is more about how do you know you're interacting with an authentic signal client, and not a bastardized one.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

At the moment you can't. The only realistic way I could see that happening is if the servers would check the app's digital signature and refuse the app from communicating with the official infrastructure if it didn't match.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Which would be absolutely disgusting given that Signal's official app lacks some basic functionality!

[–] pinkfluffywolfie@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, I use the molly fork because there's features I like about it. I'd be sad if I couldn't use it anymore. :(

[–] jesse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Even then, nothing stops the client from lying to the server.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

That's the point of digitally signing the app, to ensure its authenticity and integrity. TM and others wouldn't be able to resign the modified app with the Signal Foundation signature.

EDIT: Yeah after thinking more about it it's not a trivial problem, as you need to assume that the endpoint is inherently untrusted.

[–] Corngood@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It's actually possible in a way:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SafetyNet

But you necessarily need to limit the devices and operating systems that are allowed. No custom ROMs, no root access, etc.

It's bullshit and breaks open computing as a concept.

[–] ouch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Fuck Safetynet and Play Integrity.