To be fair, the Russians do have an answer to that: Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries' governments and/or orchestrated anti-Russian, pro-Western coups.

To be fair yet again, that answer is a load of bullshit, those democratic governments have plenty of genuine popular support, the people in these countries are anti-Russian because of personal experiences with the Russian state, not just because of propaganda, and the USA, while influential to an outsized degree, is obviously not just "calling the shots" on the entire western world. Things would look very different if they were.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To continue to be fair, that whole claim is just DARVOing about what Russian spies are doing to the west.

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They spent two decades saying this and then installed a puppet dictator in america lmao

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lolllllllllll... Fk I hope we can laugh about this in 10-20 years.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And the thing is, many European countries don't even want to join NATO specifically, they want to join the EU-- a non-military, supranational organisation. However, the Russian government see the EU and NATO as one and the same, even though many EU members are not NATO members themselves and don't want to be.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Speaking of "calling the shots", the EU and/or UK narratives are even funnier. If some country in Europe takes action against Russian government:

And the US agrees with that: "US made their puppet do that"
And the US disagrees or obviously not involved: "Ha, US can't control their corrupt puppets!", or "The anglosaxon deepstate strikes again"

[–] Droechai@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm way more worried of the anglo-dane deep state. It's so deep some think it vanished an age ago, but I know they are still out there, just biding their time

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, I innfiltrated Denmark so I hope to find the deepvikingstate jarl, befriend him and affect his decisions.

[–] Droechai@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

I thank you for your service!

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries’

Yeah, that's serious cultural appropriation against the russians.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Western secret services like the CIA have been infiltrating those countries’ governments and/or orchestrated anti-Russian, pro-Western coups.

Even if, unless you're planning offensive actions, you shouldn't be worried about countries joining a defensive military structure.