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Justine Greening, the former Tory MP, argues that the current Tory strategy of going after Reform voters isn't working. She seems to think the Tories should try to capture centrists instead (which is what David Cameron did, I would argue).

The party has attempted to be a “mini-me” version of Reform UK, and unsurprisingly Reform voters prefer the real thing. And this strategy’s consequential alienation of Conservative-leaning centre-ground voters has seen them head off to either the Lib Dems or Labour, or to the Green party. The party has no winning majority in any age group of voters other than those over 70. This is no basis for a successful electoral strategy for the longer term.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I didn't downvote, but that's way too hopeful. If Reform keeps eating into Tory voters they'll eventually stop guaranteeing labor wins and start winning themselves. US-style fascism is coming to Britain faster than you seem to think.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 4 days ago

My thoughts exactly. You never want things to double down and become more toxic, even if it's smaller. You have to neutralize the toxin. The dose is what kills you.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Reform gaining opposition is a few years away and there's no garuntee that their support won't evaporate by the next election.

Labours policies could bear fruit in the next few years.

I agree with another commentator on here lib Dems could stand to gain a lot by occupying the centre and pulling Tory and reform votes to them.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 4 days ago

Reform gaining opposition is a few years away and there's no garuntee that their support won't evaporate by the next election.

Technically there isn't, but historically that that's exactly what happens (doesn't happen?? Dammit English).

Labours policies could bear fruit in the next few years.

Labor policies like... cuting social welfare? No way Labor economic policy digs the UK out of this hole.

I agree with another commentator on here lib Dems could stand to gain a lot by occupying the centre and pulling Tory and reform votes to them.

If anything fascists excel at pulling voters away from the ineffectual center so I don't see that happening. Voters drift towards the center when things are perceived to be going well and not need to change, which from what I understand is the exact opposite of the situation in the UK.