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Ceasefire:

  • Permanent ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine

  • Immediate initiation of technical implementation negotiations

Security Guarantees for Ukraine:

  • Robust security guarantees for Ukraine

  • Guarantors: a group of European and willing non-European states

  • Ukraine agrees not to pursue NATO membership

  • Ukraine may pursue European Union membership

Territorial Arrangements:

  • Crimea: U.S. grants de jure recognition of Russian control

  • Luhansk: U.S. grants de facto recognition of Russian control

  • Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Kherson: De facto recognition of Russian control of occupied parts

  • Kharkiv Oblast: Ukraine regains territory

  • Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant & Kakhovka Dam: Ukraine regains control under U.S. administration, energy distributed to both sides

  • Ukraine gains full navigation rights on the Dnieper River and control of the Kinburn Spit

Economic Provisions:

  • U.S.–Ukraine economic and minerals cooperation agreement

  • Full financial compensation and reconstruction of Ukraine

  • Removal of all Russia-related sanctions imposed since 2014

  • Resumption of U.S.–Russia economic cooperation, including energy and industrial sectors

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[–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Russians are incapable of good faith negotiations.

I believe you mean Russian heads of government and military.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Have to disagree with you on this one, with the clarification that I am refering to matters of geopolitics. What you are implying doesn't align with factual research and well, historical fact (do not forget that the russians occupied Moldova as far back as the early 90s, putin was no where near power back then).

Happy to share; there are some really interesting approaches that lay bare the childishness of typical arguments on this topic. "How can you do polling in a country like russia, they are all afraid!" Turns out professionals in this sphere do have methods. 😀

But I am curious if you have something more concrete that you wanted to expand on with respect to what you are saying or if this just a general thought on your part.

[–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Its a blanket statement. Further precision in your statement is necessary to be factual.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

On one hand I agree with you as I know several russians who are capable of good faith.

One could say:

At the very least a strong majority of russians, and more likely an overwhelming majority, are incapable of good faith thinking/negotiations with respect to geopolitics. Even many allegedly opposition-minded "liberal" russians such as Navalniy and his movements has shown support for the annexation of Crimea and denied the genocidal atrocities committed by russians in Chechnya in the 90s.

I will note that your statement is factually false:

I believe you mean Russian heads of government and military [are incapable of good faith negotiations].

This is basically white washing russian genocidal imperialism.

Again, do you have something concrete to back up the above-mentioned viewed? Surely it should go both ways?

[–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I will note that your statement is factually false

It was true. I stated what I believed you to have meant. I didn't put forth an opinion on it.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

How could you have thought that was true? It would be impossible for me to think that as there is documented evidence to the contrary.

At any rate, do you have something concrete to say or where you just being pedantic about "all russians" verses "At the very least a strong majority of russians...?"