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The shit? The pioneers of fascism—Hitler and Mussolini—appealed to the Enlightenment-era ideologies of race and nationalism a lot more than they appealed to religion, and Ben Gurion was an atheist. Then in modern Israel you have liberal Jews and ultraorthodox Jews, who are both equally supportive of the genocide of Palestinians for Lebensraum (though liberal Jews are more likely to prioritize getting the hostages back). MAGA is also built on nationalism, race ideology and a notion of a "great America", with religion only taking an auxiliary role. Again, fascism and Zionism were invented in and keep being practiced by the least religious region in the world; don't make this the fault of religion because it's quite obviously not. Religion isn't the cause of everything you don't like. Y'all invented this shit so own it.
Lmao what? The Nazi Party publicly and loudly identified with religion and persecuted and purged the Jews who had been treated awfully by Christians in Europe for centuries. Sure Hitler wanted to see the end of Christianity, but he was quite religious himself per the Goebbels Diaries: "The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed." So privately Hitler was religious, and publicly the Nazis were religious, and one of the most sickening, widespread, and prominent atrocities they committed was the persecution and genocide of a religious minority.
I would argue that even though they identified a bit with Christianity, they weren’t religious. The nazis used lots of christian symbolisms and rhetorics due to cultural heritage as a way of garnering support.
But, stating that nazis were religious as in they adopted clear doctrines and rituals is fallacious, their philosophical beliefs were more akin to pantheism than anything else.
Okay and? Did you want them to be outspoken atheists in 1920s Germany?
Okay and? Antisemitism was already a thing independent of the Christianity that created it. The Nazis also went after leftists, (forgot to complete that sentence so edit:) Romas, Catholics and Slavs, among others.
Yeah why do you want them to be atheists? Nearly everyone was religious back then, so obviously they were going to be religious too. And in the first place, Hitler repeatedly challenged orthodox religious beliefs in his time, so if anything to him Christianity was a pain in the ass that he needed to deal with and not a part of his ideology. He also persecuted non-Nazi Christians almost as soon as they took power.
See above.
Never said it was. And I didn't say religion was the source of fascism either.
Don't excuse religion's faults; it has been used to cause massive amounts of human suffering. Yes, it can be a positive tool. But it's a tool that has a well documented history of repression and violence.
And of course, instead of solving underlying issues, we should just blame and ban surface level problems so that nothing ever changes.
Religion is just a tool, not a cause. The cause of all the problems you quote are ego and power-mongering. Those things twist anything they touch, not just religion.
The solution is not more vapid reactionism.
fucking thank you
Religion's usefulness is way overestimated. It's a crutch.
And what solution? Religion? Yeah, hell no.
And it's pathetically ironic seeing a zealous reactionary projecting so predictably.
Blow it out your ass, for all I care. ～(つˆ0ˆ)つ｡☆
Crutches are useful tools. Do you advocate that someone who's broken/sprained limbs to just suck it up and walk it off? That's needlessly toxic.
Religion is not a solution, and I never said otherwise. I said it was a tool, nothing more or less. It's effectiveness as a tool is questionable, I agree.
-You. This whole conversation is also about fascism. The proposition that religion is fertile ground for fascism is simply not supported historically.
Yes, but not under fascism. That's what I'm trying to say here. Screw the Crusades, post-Reformation wars, the modern Iranian regime and the Taliban, but that shit has nothing to do with fascism. Religion and fascism (which is a form of state religion) are actively competing ideas.