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[โ€“] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's always been an odd argument to me, even when I was an atheist. No god worth their substance would need to interact with the universe in any way that didn't just look like the laws of physics, since they're the ones who initiated the laws of physics.

[โ€“] statist43@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But even if they interact in the laws of physics. Then why is there no sudden change. No incoherence, or sth truly random like sth coming out of nothing.

I mean, we are not able to observe every detail in the universe, maybe there is some random stuff happening in another galaxy cluster and we are just in the wrong place.

But the chance for this is almost nonexistent.

But so is the chance for this moment to, and its happening.

[โ€“] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If this God exists outside time, it would make sense since we may be unable to perceive these perturbations in time - it will just always have been that way.

[โ€“] statist43@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

That could be true. I mean the timeframe of our existence is small. Even the mammal timeframe is small, so maybe it intercepted even 1500 years ago and whispered some prophet into his hear or sth.

But there are possibilities to tell if something hasnt changed, like in differences of wavelength or if bigger things in our universe just disappear. Extremly said of course. And too we are in a really early stage of all of this knowledge, so if there is definitly proof of some being, Id think otherwise maybe.

But as we know more and more, we just see evidence of physics.

I mean, one perspective is that they got everything right to begin with so there's no need for intervention.

Another is that quantum weirdness, or chaotic event behavior, exactly is evidence of direct intervention.

Another yet is that, as more limited beings that exist within the laws of physics, we lack the perceptive equipment to bear witness to the "sudden" changes in the fabric of the divine meta-reality, which materialize in the physical world in mundane ways.

In any case, why should we expect a higher power to affect the world in incoherent or random ways?