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We've come a long way from cave drawings and hieroglyphics. We've developed languages capable of expressing tiny details in amazing clarity; succinctly, pointedly, and without confusion as to their meaning.
And yet there is a whole new wave of people unable to use those languages correctly or even rudimentarily who drag civilization backwards by returning to hieroglyphics.
I'm almost of the opinion we've reached "peak human" and are now backsliding. Yes, of course it's self inflicted - how else could we as a species do an 'about face' and head back to cave dwelling? However it happens and whomever is responsible, here we are... and we're losing ground fast.
And things like emojis are leading the charge.
If I had a jack off hand motion emoji I would post it but you'll have to settle for me simply saying you sound up your own ass
::: spoiler big emoji If you have the black background for Lemmy on then the emoji looks like a red hand jerking a phantom dick
big emoji
Was added (yesterday I think), so now you can!
Greatest day of my life
See how much more expressive those words were?! Fucking excellent job !
Way to fucking go Bro or Bra !!! Way - to - fucking - go!
Now THAT'S the way to express yourself. It impresses the ladies too.
I prefer gender neutral terms, please. I'm nonbinary
... and all points in between. That should cover "human". And you're definitely that.
Of all the things to get Ted Kaczynski over, emojis is easily the funniest one
Nah, but it's good to rile up the monkeys every once in a while. Else they sit around jacking and jillies and slipping into the photon coma. Stirs up their blood. Fires a neuron or two.
"I was simply pretending" lmao ok
Language fails us again and again, how often do we have to compare things to other feelings of sensation? Miscommunications? How short do words fall time and time again? A fool believes our words are enough, like a haggard face cant speak volumes with more clarity without a single word being said.
I keep thinking about this because it's so fucking funny. "We've invented a way to reintroduce some of the emotional nuance innate in vocal communication and add further symbolic references to text!" "My god, you're an imbecilic caveman! You're destroying civilization!"
NOOOO THE MOST EUPHORIC REDDIT NEW ATHEISTS MUST CONVEY IRONIC DETACHMENT AND CONTEMPT FOR EMOTION AT ALL TIMES
'Emojis represent the backsliding of great human society'
You defeated emojis, because I have no face for this
probably huge if not viewed on Hexbear
Might suffice.
Something like that!
Also imagine not viewing everything on hexbear
"Peak human" is being a Reddit-tier pretentious snob that expresses passive-aggressive contempt for living human beings if they use pictures to communicate.
Your subjectivity is showing. And it's not as wise as you think.
Your Spock LARP is showing. And Spock wasn't quite as much of a Redditor as you think you remember.
@WhyEssEff@hexbear.net keeps delivering the emoji hits, just in time to dunk on the pompous haters
This is a 200iq moment, the logic and eloquence is exquisite but like get over yourself or some shit..
Ah! part of the digression. The digression speaks. Alas, all... the digressions express themselves.
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It's whoever in this case.
Sorry, couldn't resist after a rant like that. :)
By the way, the trick i used i learned from a reddit comment. Whether you use 'who' or 'whom' had to do with whether something is being done by them or to them. The use case went like this.
Someone steps on a worm.
'Who stepped in the worm?'
'You stepped on whom?'
Maybe they used worm cuz it is similar to whom. Anyway, hope it helps, it sure did me.
I always used "he/him" as a way to figure out if "whom" or "who" is correct. If "whom" is needed, it's for "him". If "who" is needed, "he" should be used.
"For him: For whom" "He did it: Who did it"
And the 'm' in "him" reminds me to use "whom"
"Who wants ice cream" shouldn't be answered with "Him wants ice cream", you would say "He wants ice cream"
"For whom is this for" : "It's for him", not "It's for he"
That's what got me to remember it forevermore
Ryan used me as an object.
A most interesting and enlightening reply. Completely unexpected. This will bear thought. Thank you.
ugh. you've pressed enough of my buttons to warrant a response.
the idea that hieroglyphs are in some way inferior to modern writing systems in an objective way is flawed. hieroglyphs were a diverse writing system comprised of phonograms, logograms, and ideograms, and they could be used contextually to record a rich and complex language as fully featured as our own. the ancient Egyptians wrote their dreams, legends, and histories in this text for over 4000 years. the idea that our modern languages are somehow "better" than ancient languages is to misunderstand what language is.
the idea that there is a """correct""" way to use language is flawed. the field of linguistics recognizes a vast diversity of languages, dialects, sociolects, and even idiolects that vary from each other in many interesting ways. collapsing that diversity into a single "correct" way to use language is nonsense, and has historically served to exclude those whose dialect is not supported by powerful institutions. just because people aren't speaking like you are doesn't mean they're speaking wrong, or "rudimentarily".
instead of catastrophizing about how new ways of communicating might end the world, as people have done literally since we started to write down things, linguists have studied how and why emojis exist, and, unsurprisingly, its not because people are getting stupider or something like that. its because they're useful for conveying non-linguistic social information in informal written communication. without the non-verbal queues, vocal tone, and other contextual information that exists in spoken language, emojis are one of many ways to add context that can't be represented through text alone. tone indicators and emoticons serve similar roles.
this is cringe. small changes in the structure of our informal written communication are never going to be the big, important thing you seem to think they are. if you're this passionate about language that you think it can be ruined by funny little pictures, learn some linguistics. nobody who knows anything substantive about language shares your concerns, because they're too busy studying the interesting new cultural phenomenon and what it might mean for our understanding of human communication.
Only thing imma disagree on is that we've ever reached peak human
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