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[–] Jonny@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I do wonder how much is the breed and how much is shitty owners being attracted to perceived scary breeds. My guess would be a bit of both.

[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don’t need to train a pointer puppy to point. They do it from birth. You don’t need to train a sheep dog to herd. They do it from the moment they can walk. You don’t need to teach a pit bull to latch and shake. They also do that from birth. Training can mitigate the risk, but they’re still very dangerous dogs.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Literally every breed with a prey drive does the death shake. And they aren't the only ones with locking jaws either. This is very much a problem of shitty people who like the reputation.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's a story that a family dog got loose after a car crash. They found the dog a few days later ... herding sheep. No one ever taught the dog to herd sheep.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago
[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

You need to go one step further - why do people feel the need to own such dogs in the first place? Some people would say the dog is for protection (from who? And why are those people a threat? It's well known that lack of social and communal services lead to young people ending up involved with gangs and violence), others use it as a status symbol (don't even get me started on consumerism, and commodification of natural shit like animals), and in almost all cases there is a lot of toxic masculinity involved.

These are all deep rooted systemic issues that go far beyond both dogs and owners (don't get me wrong - I am not excusing bad dog ownership, and don't think people should be raising violent and aggressive dogs), and they all need addressing to actually resolve the problem, but it's much easier for those in charge to focus on the end result, and make it an individual issue, they don't care about making society better, they just want power and money.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Literally all I'm saying is that the vast majority of pit bulls aren't violent. I fucking said I'm in favor of spaying and neutering the breed out of existence because the few that do become violent are excessively dangerous.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Horses are fragile as fuck. Let's talk about dogs that were bred to kill bears. Oh but wait they didn't get a street rep and a million shitty owners abusing them. Alaskan Malamutes were bred to help with Polar Bears, they get to about 100 pounds, have a very strong bite, and a big independent streak making them harder to train. Oh yeah and they come with a warning about being around children.

What's the difference in the actual breeds? The Malamute is giant fluffball. The Pitbull has many manly muscles.

[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Ive seen people attack and kill buffalo. We should kill whichever breed of people do that.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago

The problem is that there's no way to tell a bad owner from a good one, which is how we end up in situations like this. I've almost had my throat torn out as I made my way to the bus stop because a very submissive owner couldn't control his dommy gshep, which was lunging and straining at the leash in order to kill me.

I love sheps and have met some extremely good owners, but they are few and far between compared to the jackasses who bring their Rottweilers into bars, where the dog goes absolutely ballistic and starts making kill noises at everyone until the owner has to leave the bar. And that happened last month, lol.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

oh oh I read a study answering that.

It depends on behavior. They found high correlation between breed and how many time they turned around before laying down. Certain common trip like sit or come. But not aggressive behavior. They highest correlation for that was back ground. Dog from the streets or abusive backgrounds. Followed by a small correlation with genetics, which is not the same as breed.

Breed did have anything to do with aggression. Also most people can't tell a pitbull from other dogs, and studies that look at dog attacks only rely on the victim just saying what breed attacked them