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Probably yes, but isn't relying on a single country to get your chips, equal or even more problematic. especially when you know that that country is heavily invested in cyberwarfare, espionage and censorship.
Even their constitution states that every Chinese product ( software or hardware ), must send data it collects to the government.
What's stops them from "chipping" every phone they export ? Or hardcoding spyware into the motherboard or CPU ? Nothing ( this is way more scarier than software level spying )
You don't know that ๐
This is like Apple saying your Android spies on you... lol ( I believe they did say that )
I'm aware of US privacy laws ( e.g. Cloud Act ) and technologies ( e.g. Intel ME ), yeah it's not unique to China
Which country isn't? The US does more spying on its own citizens than China could ever dream of doing. The UK is currently trying to pass a bill to break e2ee.
This is false as far as I know, can you provide a source? China has some of the strictest laws on data protection, you can read more about it here: https://academic.oup.com/idpl/article/12/2/75/6537091?login=false
Not sure where you were going with this. My point is you don't hear any of these concerns raised about any other and as we both agree it's not something unique to China.
The real reason why you hear a lot of talk about moving production out of China lately is simply because Chinese manufacurers have narrowed the the gap a lot in terms of chip designs and are becoming an actual threat to western comanies' profit margins.
Is that so ? , protection from who ?
just so we on the same page, I'm talking about data is gathered, not whether it's protected ( legally ) , idc
I'm not a lawyer but I think somewhere in the DSL it mentions data is collected from companies within China and outside, but why is it hard for you to swallow, knowing that US based companies ( with all the power they have, lawyers.. Etc ) comply with data collection laws
It's more of a metaphor I guess, basically it's a decoy, they tell you these people are spying on you, while they do the same or worse
Aaside from that, US officials make good points when they talk about the threat of Chinese products ( Tiktok, Huawei ) from a Cybersecurity perspective
Linking to the great firewall article is completely nonsensical in this context, and you would be aware of that if you had bothered to open the link in my previous comment.
Which is exactly what I'm talking about, which you would again know if you read what I linked.
It doesn't, what I linked to discusses the very laws you are talking about at length if you are actually interested rather than just spouting nonsense like "it's in the constitution".
Just so we're on the same page you have no idea about Chinese laws on gathering, processing and handling of data, but you heard it somewhere, repeat it, won't bother to research further and then claim there's no propaganda.
Because they don't. Evidenced by all the fines the EU is handing out to google, meta, etc. You could also look to all the stuff Snowden blew the whostle on. Do you think they just stopped doing mass surveillance on a global level?
Oh, shoot didn't realize China is a privacy haven, maybe I should move there, maybe I should install Tiktok as well, is that what you're saying ?
There is a misunderstanding here, I meant they do comply with FBI subpoena's and they do handle data to US government and 3 letter agencies, why is it that you think Chinese companies are safe from their government ? ( I'll rephrase it : if US gov can just order US based companies to hand over user messages and emails, why can't China gov do the same to Chinese based companies ? considering their track record )
I did open your article BTW, it doesn't answer this question, off course i didn't read the whole thing
how ? When ?
Didn't say it's not propaganda, I was the first to suspect the news I shared to be propaganda, but that doesn't mean there is no truth in it, that's how you make successful propaganda, you add false narratives to the real ones, have you listened to why your government officials wanted to ban Tiktok ?