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Donald Trump signed an executive order to challenge birthright citizenship, targeting children of undocumented immigrants born in the U.S.

The order argues against the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship for those born on U.S. soil.

It bars federal agencies from recognizing birthright citizenship and imposes a 30-day waiting period for enforcement.

The order is expected to face significant legal challenges, with critics calling it unconstitutional.

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[–] zabadoh@ani.social 92 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Would you like to know more?

[–] ours@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You jest but serving in the US military is a legit way to gain citizenship.

[–] droans@midwest.social 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not a guarantee, though, but it should be. If you serve for, say, 5 years and have not been dishonorably discharged, you should be automatically eligible for citizenship.

As of now, serving only exempts you from the continuous residence and physical presence requirements. You still need to be a permanent resident, know English, understand the US government and history, and demonstrate "good moral character" for at least a year out of the military.

Permanent residency shouldn't be mandated for soldiers. They're choosing to serve for the US - isn't that enough? The English and US government/history requirement should be waived under the assumption that they understand all of those well enough after training and serving in the military. Good moral character really is just that you haven't committed any serious crime which is fine.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My dad was in the air force for years, was incredibly sympathetic to immigrants and openly called for more immigration. But was hesitant to say service should guarantee citizenship.

Notably he was also very critical of Heinlein. Though he did like the bits that weren't heavy handed political philosophy.

He thought that a direct route from service to citizenship would create a militia class of immigrants. It would be very attractive to a certain group of people who's interests may not align with those of the US.

It was a security threat, he thought. And it seems like this attitude is shared by the DoD.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

I mean it makes sense, from a pragmatic point of view.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

For an illustration of how this could wrong, we just need to look at the French Foreign Legion and how they attempted to assassinate De Gaule over Indochina.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

That's currently true, but I was also referring to the universe of Starship Troopers (the movie, vs the Heinlein novel), where it appears that birthright citizenship is no more, and military service (to the crypto-fascist government) is the only realistic path to citizenship for most US residents in that universe.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

They make it far more complicated than it needs to be.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that only US citizens could serve, no?

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Oh no. You can volunteer without citizenship.

They can say no, but we have non citizens serving.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

very fucking funny (by which I mean not funny at all) that I can take the test, pay roughly a grand, and be considered more secure in my citizenship than someone born here.