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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (7 children)

65,000,000 eligible voters don't vote. Should have fought harder to get those butts off the couch to vote than just "but Trump". If you don't excite the base, they're not going to go out and vote.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

That's pretty rich coming from you, yo. How much time and how many posts did you spend dragging Biden and Harris during election season to have a surprised Pikachu reaction? I bet there's a number with at least 2 zeros you are PERSONALLY responsible for dissuading from going to the ballot box.

Maybe the options arent exciting, but they weren't both coming to drink your milkshake.

Edit: And by the way FUCK YOU for all of that. I would block you, but I'd rather see you scramble and post about "how do I stop fascism" and so on knowing you have ABSOLUTELY shit the bed for defending your own interests. I don't wish suffering on anyone, but God dammit I hope your reality has or will get checked. As a cis white straight upper middle class dude none of this affects me at all, and I have spent two years fighting and losing sleep for your shit and what happens to everyone else. I have a lot of sympathy, but not one bit for you.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not voting is an action. An action that says, "either is fine"

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Preventing fascism isn't exciting. It's a necessity. It's the civic equivalent of brushing your teeth.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah that doesn't work. Making that argument again and again and not responding to the above critique is why Trump won.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trump won because millions of people were swayed by propaganda and misinformation.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or here me out, they saw both sides as moraly reprehensable, not neccisarily equaly so, but enough that they would not be able to sleep at night giving either of them their vote, and tasid suport for what they are doing. As much as people here like to claim your really voting aganst the other guy, the vote is still for one side.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

That would be valid if there were more than two choices. There were not. Not voting doesn't free you from moral culpability; it makes you morally culpable for either outcome. Inaction is acceptance of the worst happening.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There was a lot of propaganda going around, but the Dems decided their message was to be in denial about the economy and to court the Republicans who were too sexist to vote for a woman anyway.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem is the Democrats told the truth about the economy. They said it was getting better slowly over time and that prices were never going to go back to what they were before Covid. People would rather hear Trump's comfortable lies than face the uncomfortable truth.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Regular people associate "the economy" with their own subjective bubble. Regular people are dumb as fuck and the Dems shouldn't pretend like we are a country with free education where people make collected and informed decisions.

Despite the dems prepping the macro economy to distibute wealth to workers, the workers did not feel that wealth.

It was a good economy for transitioning us to EVs, bad for affording human needs.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look around the world. Incumbents lost all over because of the economy. It's not a Democrat problem.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Then they shouldn't lie to people and say that the economy is good.

Because the quality of life of their voter base has diminished since Covid.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

Like people confuse weather and climate, or sex and gender, people confuse the economy with their budget. The reality that the economy does not serve the average American is an entirely different problem than the covid recovery. The problem is income inequality has been growing for 50 years. (And Biden tried to help this with caps on medicine costs, college loan forgiveness, the child tax credit, and dozens of other things)

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The economy was getting better if you base "the economy" on stock values. The way politicians, especially neoliberals, measure the health of the economy is fundamentally misaligned with the experience of the average person. That's on purpose though. They care more about the wealthy than the people.

The argument was based on real median wages returning to above where they were in 2019, unemployment being <5% and inflation dropping back to 2%.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

I feel like if we were in a horror movie, and I told you Michael Myers was coming to kill us, you would have just sat there telling me you're tired and I need a reason for you to get up beyond "but Michael"

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Biden hopefully will be the last "must secure the center" democrat. The winner in American elections is the one that has their base turn out more. If you do things to appease the center at the expense of the base, expect to loose.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Considering there's no one from any left aligned party holding district wide, state wide or better. This comment is at best delusional.

If us leftists were the panacea many like to paint us as. We'd already be holding more offices than we do. Regardless of the NeOlIBeRaLs!

I think they'd do well to move more leftward. Benefitting the common man. Marginalizing any sort of economic liberal. But a lot is going to have to happen before that. And even then we will still need them more than they need us. Because honestly what's the left's excuse otherwise? We could if we wanted to, and oh you wouldn't know our voters. She lives in Canada?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Oh it's a joy to see a smart leftist, I know it's not much but You give me a tiny bit of hope

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately the Neolibs would rather burn the country to the ground than lose control of the Democratic party

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe this needed to happen as a matter of karma and punishment, for complacency and stupidity. Its just a sin others have to suffer for morons who dont know any better.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It already happened in 2016 though.

People are crazy if they think this will be the time the Dems learn their lesson. They haven't learned it for decades.q

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

no joke, I'd take the last time any day of the fucking week, the world is infinitely worse position for a manchild and an entourage of tech fascists to be taking power, we're essentially already in the opening stage of WW3 because of Putin's fantasies.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

well, yeah. That's why last time should have been the wake-up call, because now it's too late.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

too late to solve the problems by legal means, sure.

but if they make a move on anyone, like for real. there's gonna be bodies on both sides. they aren't the only ones with weapons. and worse for them, they've convinced some people they have nothing to lose now.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

I doubt it as I'm gonna be punished for this even though I did everything I was supposed to.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Well they can be excited about the new gender options now