I recently took up Bazzite from mint and I love it! After using it for a few days I found out it was an immutable distro, after looking into what that is I thought it was a great idea. I love the idea of getting a fresh image for every update, I think for businesses/ less tech savvy people it adds another layer of protection from self harm because you can't mess with the root without extra steps.
For anyone who isn't familiar with immutable distros I attached a picture of mutable vs immutable, I don't want to describe it because I am still learning.
My question is: what does the community think of it?
Do the downsides outweigh the benefits or vice versa?
Could this help Linux reach more mainstream audiences?
Any other input would be appreciated!
Could you share some pics (without anything private ofc) of bazzite? I wanted to try it but I couldn't use it as live distro. My main problem is arch because I'm used to
aptand I find pacman or whatever it uses difficult for me (nothing I can't learn ofc)What do you mean? Thanks
Bazzite comes packaged with the essentials so that anyone can use it without using terminal. Flatpak is enabled by default and this is the best approach. You can check it out below.
https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/
If you're not comfortable yet using any other terminal package manager other than apt, you can still use bazzite and learn with time. You can install most apps through Discover (KDE) or Gnome software
Isn't bazzite fedora-based? Meaning you use
dnfinstead ofaptorpacman.Since it's immutable, you'll probably not be using DNF much.
Good point!
I use Aurora Linux which is the sister one to Bazzite, both are Fedora 41 based images. They strongly encourage using the FlatPak approach to installing software. After using it for a few weeks now, I can see why. One of the things with the immutable setup is once you install a program, you have to reboot to get it to run, but with Flatpak, it isn't so. I think Flatpak has it's merits - if they have an app which you normally use, then it's easy enough to install and go.
For the Fedora side of things, you can "layer" apps over it using the rpm-ostree but they encourage you to only do that as a last resort. One of the things they enable you to do is install additional OS's containerized which integrate with the desktop environment. For example, right now, I can only run Scrcpy in a different OS (That I've been able to figure out so far), so I just spin up an Arch OS container and launch it from there, and can interface with my phone normally. As I understand too, the developers plan on disabling layering in a future release. To be honest, I don't think I have but one thing layered and that's my Label Printer's driver.
The benefit for me using the immutable system and this is the hardest thing to grasp for a lot of people including myself is that it truly is set and forget type of updating. With Arch, you can become sort of addicted to checking for new releases, and I'm not going to lie, it's amazing to get some of the newest releases of your favorite app or browser especially when they fix something. With Arch, it's generally there. With my system, I turned on auto updates, so it's not too uncommon to bring the system up in the morning and see that updates have been given (I don't notice them usually). It's nice not having to worry about that as much.
Is it stable enough to recommend for non-techy users? Set-and-forget sounds ideal for someone who doesn't understand (and doesn't really need to understand) all the updates their machine is doing.
In my opinion so far yes, I've only been on it a few weeks, but think of the immutable as locking down the root partition and any vital directories to the OS and not allowing your user to modify anything. In the event of a bad update, it's easy enough to select the previous boot in Grub and be on your merry way.
I have a special needs adult step-daughter who's PC I manage and I always need to keep it updated, setting it up on their Bluefin version which uses Gnome which she loves. So, I may do it this weekend. She's currently on Endeavor OS (Arch based) but it keeps getting kernel updates daily it seems and with those a reboot. Additionally, for whatever reason, her system goes to sleep without warning sometimes so if I'm updating it, it's gone to sleep. (Super weird). I've never had it do this before with Standard Arch linux so I think its something to do with Endeaver. I've never bothered to troubleshoot it to be honest. With a setup on the BlueFin (Aurora Linux is KDE), enabling Auto updates should be a breeze and then she's golden for being updated without my intervention.
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on the projects and maybe switch at some point
I don't know what it uses and as someone who always used apt, pacman or dnf is hard to understand
Edit: Not that I can't learn.. Just saying is hard for me
I don't have any pics cause I'm not currently near my computer that runs bazzite.
If you're mainly using GUI apps you'll probably just be installing everything through flatpak, which you can use via the Discover store that comes with KDE Plasma. CLI apps are installed using homebrew.
The docs might give you some insight on using it: https://docs.bazzite.gg/
Noooooo! I'll install it on VM
99% of the times on KDE neon I install using deb files and dpkg