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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Here's where the arrows come from. Figures that social democrats aren't authoritarians and thus don't like tankies which the KPD very much was. Calling them, at least at that time, "against socialism" is gross libel. (Technically the SPD still hasn't abandoned socialism, at least when you look into their party programme, but new labour etc).

I guess a much bigger red flag is coming from a .ml instance and re-heating "social fascist" rhetoric against SocDems.

...can't believe I'm actually defending the traitor party but it's against tankies so meh.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm aware that the Three Arrows symbol originated from the Iron Front, I believe you are mistaken when you say Social Democracy is Socialist. Socialism is foundationally anticapitalist, Social Democrats wish to retain Capitalism and harness it to expand safety nets and social programs. This isn't about "tankies" or whatever, Social Democrats are opposed to Socialism both historically and ideologically, hence the addition of the slash.

You called them a traitor party for good reason.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No, they don't. From a Marxist perspective, they think that liberal-democratic capitalism is a better pre-stage to the abolishment of capitalism than Leninist state capitalism.

Quoth the SPD programme:

Our history is shaped by the idea of democratic socialism, a society of free and equal people where our core values are realized. It requires a structure in economy, state and society guaranteeing civil, political, social and economic basic rights for all people living a life without exploitation, suppression and violence, hence in social and human security.

The end of the soviet type state socialism did not disprove the idea of democratic socialism but it clearly confirmed the orientation of social democracy towards core values. In our understanding democratic socialism remains the vision of a free and fair society in solidarity. Its realization is a permanent task for us. The principle for our actions is social democracy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

I'm aware of the claims of the SPD. I explained in another comment why they are contradictory and wrong, such as Rosa Luxemburg disproving them. This is further proven by the fact that Socialist systems have been built by Marxists, but none have been built by Social Democrats in history.