And any sort of attempt at organization leads to Alphabet Squad raids and whatever bullshit charges they feel like throwing at you after deciding you're guilty of being a dirty commie/socialist/librul/not them.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We really need to not stab our neighbors, anyway. CEOs, however.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Whacking a CEO doesn’t do shit. They just install a new one and divert more funding to the police state.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

One. Sure. 100? 500? Maybe not.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

At that point, just organize a revolution like has already been done, nobody has assassinated a revolution into success.

Funny enough, this exact conversation was had a long time ago, Lenin and the Bolsheviks advocated organizing the working class and reading theory, while the Socialist Revolutionaries advocated abandoning theory (believing it to cause more conflict among comrades than unity) and advocated assassinations. Ultimately, the Bolsheviks ended up being correct, which is why I think we can learn a lot from our predecessors in analyzing how our own conditions are similar and different in coming up with a strategy that works for us.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

And any sort of attempt at organization leads to Alphabet Squad raids and whatever bullshit charges they feel like throwing at you after deciding you’re guilty of being a dirty commie/socialist/librul/not them.

This is simply false, at least in the western countries I'm familiar with. Most organizations will get monitoring at worst unless they're an imminent threat, plotting clearly illegal acts or in an unusually strict region.

Now, one could argue that effective organization will inevitably imply illegal acts or become an imminent threat, and that's reasonable but that's very different to claiming "any sort of attempt at organization leads to Alphabet Squad raids", an unnecessarily and baselessly dissuasive claim.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Butt stabbing sounds like the perfect way to get the message across.

[+] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

How are you any different from an extremist right winger at that point? You want violence rather than solutions.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago

You want violence rather than solutions

Violence is a tool which can, and in the past has, created solutions when used appropriately. It's how we dissolve the fascist groups in my area.

The problem with extremist right wingers isn't merely that they're violent, the issues are:

Their demands and rationale (based on their values as a 'right winger')
*Their ill-conceived, anti-social use of violence *(e.g. race war PotD envisioned by neo-Nazi terrorists, a strategy that history has demonstrated simply doesn't work. They're not even achieving their goals, just slaughtering innocent citizens)

Look at prominent cases of whoever you declare to be 'left wing extremists'. They're typically targeting specific atrocious people or groups like neo-Nazis or heads of state or capitalist industrialists, not just terrorizing citizens.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

When peaceful protest is ignored or violently stopped, what other choice is there but to react violently?

Protest is the alternative to revolution. When protest goes ignored just so the powerful can retain their power, violence is the only remaining solution.

History tells us this time and time again.