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[–] REgon@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Foreign policy wise he was a bit of an oaf. Or an isolationist. An isolationist oaf. Ended the forever war in Afghanistan, made it clear to Iran that nuclear disarmament was a bad idea, messed up plenty of soft power projects, pushed the EU away, fucked up the coup in Venezuela, the "trade war" with China. That's just what I can recall right now. Oh yeah the whole "shithole country" thing

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ended the forever war in Afghanistan

That wasn’t his administration

made it clear to Iran that nuclear disarmament was a bad idea

While killing Suleimani in an Iraqi airfield

fucked up the coup in Venezuela

He literally started it

the "trade war" with China

He literally started it

shithole country

Not sure if I recall, he had the whole Muslim ban from ‘shithole countries’

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He brokered the deal.
The coup was underway before him, he fucked it up.
The murder of Soleimani was also a massive misstep.
Yes he started the trade war, that was the fuck up.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The pullout of Afghanistan was finalized under Biden but it was Trump’s plan, and Biden even delayed it slightly

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even Obama had been talking a pullout in afghanistan

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I categorize that more as one of Obama's broken promises (AKA lies) to the left right up there with closing gitmo

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, just like with Trump, that’s my point

When Obama left office, there was no plan for leaving Afghanistan. He just gestured towards if and never did anything.

When Trump left office there was a specific date on the calendar everyone was supposed to be out by and a timeline that was in progress for leaving.

Those aren’t the same thing