Heterosexuality as we know it today isn't really real, so it makes sense. Having sex with other men (topping specifically) was just something that men did before the rise of a certain evil religion. I'm not really a scholar, but it seems to fit to me. If heterosexuality doesn't actually exist and your religion says anything else is evil, you have to demonize sexuality heavily, and That's exactly what happened.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

If you are referring to ancient Greece/Rome as a culture where homosexuality (specifically sex between men) was normalized, that's wrong. What actually was normal was men having sex with male kids, not adults (see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece). This is clearly something we now consider a complete abomination, obviously, but men did not use to have sex with other adult men (surely there were cases, but it was not a widespread cultural phenomenon like pederasty).

This is also why I don't think it makes sense to use historical references to help build a moral foundation about what's right and what's wrong. Gay sex is fine because it's consensual adults enjoying and not harming anybody, not because there was some golden age in which this was accepted.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

First sentence, ok I'm with you.

Having sex with other men (topping specifically) was just something that men did

And the bottoms were not men then? I understand what you're referring to, you just need to think more critically about it.

I'm not really a scholar, but it seems to fit to me.

Sounds pretty gay book bro

[–] shani66@ani.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Maybe i should have specified 'straight' men (as in the culturally assumed 'default'), but all I've heard about ancient sexuality has been through an incredibly homophobic culture, so you might have a pretty good point there.