What does the privatization of space flight, and it's subsequent technical failures resulting in a 2-week expedition turning into a 10-month expedition have to do with capitalism? Is that a serious question?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

So a non-capitalist space program would have no technical issues ever? Sounds about as sound as most communist propaganda logic.
If you actually read the article, they are staying there to continue the science until replacement crew arrives. The capsule is ready and they are able to return any time. There wasn't another technical failure.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml -4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Sounds like capitalism apologist logic to me.

" There wasn’t another technical failure."

How many commercial technical failures and logistic failures is adequate for you? They are in this position because NASA (A public space agency) determined that Starliner -(a private craft) wasn't safe to use as a return vehicle

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why hasn't NASA just sent a NASA vehicle to receive them?

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I bet they would had the Obama administration not moved to privatize spaceflight -Did you miss the part I said about capitalism and privatized space flight in an earlier comment?

[–] Morphit@feddit.uk 2 points 3 days ago

Ah yes, the Ares I Crew Launch Vehicle. NASA's plan was to put the Orion spacecraft on top of a Space Shuttle SRB. The projected development costs were $40 billion in 2009 and it was anticipated to cost about $1 billion per flight beyond that. Despite continued development, to this day, Orion still hasn't flown a crew. An SRB was what killed the 7 crew aboard the Challenger.

This was a pretty dumb idea, driven primarily by wanting to keep funding going to the same districts as in the Shuttle era. No one misses that system.

Thinking that wasn't capitalism is ridiculous - NASA designed the system and gave aerospace contractors (read - Boeing) a blank cheque to build it. The contractors of course used that money to lobby congress to spend even more money. Did you miss that part?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

How many commercial technical failures and logistical failures is adequate for you?

Maybe fewer or equal than there were with government run NASA? Starliner turned out to be a safe spacecraft that was recalled due to abundance of caution. Which leaders at NASA were far more comfortable doing, since it reflects badly on Boing instead of them (which is a good thing).

On the other hand, while NASA run the launches itself, how many astronauts died in disasters?

You are seriously going to pretend one issue is somehow a failure of privatized spaceflight? A nonfatal issue that caused two astronauts to chill on the space station for longer than expected, most of it voluntarily?

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nuance isn't allowed here on lemmy. You will hate capitalism or you will be silenced. You will hate privatization, or you will be ostracized.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I thought that was Reddits thing. Is that just an American thing in general?

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 3 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I'm new to lemmy world. I'm noticing every top comment is something negative about capitalism. Either the clueless reddit communists came over or it's just Russian trolls. It could be a stubbed toe, "CAPITALISM FOR YA!!" I picked to post here because this is 8 out of 10 posts now. It's pretty much equivalent to "THANKS OBAMA!"

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Check where they're from lemmy.ml is literally just a bunch of fucking tankies and russian/ccp apologist. They're idiots who blame everything on capitalism and think communism has never been tried and that everything would be great under communism, so long as they were running the show. It's pretty much just people with no life experience shouting off these things.

[–] chaospatterns@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

This is just an interesting artifact of internet communities at work. They are stuck there because Boeing's design was unsafe, Boeing has been suffering from engineering culture decline due to MBAs seeking to maximize profit. Maximizing profit is the end state of late stage capitalism. Thus this is Capitalism's fault.

People are frustrated thus they amplify these posts and ideas. You can notice the effects everywhere once you start looking. However it leads to a boring discussion. I can already see doomer questions flooding Ask Lemmy. While I may agree, it can't all be based on that.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I think capitalism is ruining earth, and is at the heart of most of the problems and challenges, AMA (jk, I don't care). It doesn't mean that I can suggest a good alternative, but observations are what they are.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Lemmy in a nutshell.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah, I really hope at least most of them are trolls...