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Democrats eye Harris 2028 presidential run as they devise political comeback (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 6 days ago by Powderhorn@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

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Dear god, no. This is an abjectly terrible idea. Dems aren't going to win until they stop being the other party of billionaires who are centre-right at best yet claiming to be for the working man. Come on, learn something from this election. We want a Sanders or AOC, not this milquetoast rejection of the full scope of the Overton window.

This is going to be a crazy four years, and to suggest we come out on the other side wanting a return to the same bullshit that held wages and lifestyles back for, by then, 50 years, is a failure to read the room. No one wants what the Democratic party currently offers, and I don't see her suddenly becoming progressive. We don't need another president on the cusp of getting Social Security when elected.

We want that for ourselves after paying into the system for so long, but that's not going to happen. Find a new standard-bearer or die. Learn. Adapt. Run on real change, not the incremental shit that was resoundingly rejected and so generously provided us with the shitshow we're about to endure. Voters stay home when you do that, and here we are.

I mean, how many CEOs need to be killed before anyone gets the message that what they're offering has the current panache of liver and onions? Doesn't matter how well it's prepared; the world has moved on, and whoever gets the nomination in '28 needs to as well. Harris is not that candidate.

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[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This isn’t a terrible idea. Bush Sr ran twice before he was elected. I could say the same about Biden. Reagan lost before he won.

But most importantly, if she loses in 2028 it might actually be a good thing. 2030 is the next census, and the party with presidential power usually gets trounced in the midterm. So, I’m wondering, could we stand 2 more years of pain at the top for 10 years of progress at the state and legislative level?

That all is to say, if we still have fair elections :-(

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 5 points 6 days ago

Still? My friend, clearly you do not live in Texas. Land of the "local control ... no wait, not that local."

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Biden didn't win in 2020 because he was a great politician, he was just the default. Nothing about either that primary or that election suggests a talented politician who just needed to refine his message and keep trying. Most of the early primary was the moderate lane desperately searching for someone other than Biden, and then in the general he barely beat Trump in an election that should have been a cake walk.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? Biden beat by 6million votes. He got the blue wall plus Arizona and Georgia of all places.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 days ago

Obama won by 10 million votes in 2008, and he wasn't up against an incumbent with a (until Biden) historically low approval rating and in the middle of a crisis he was failing. Before the Democratic primary even started 56% of voters said they were definitely going to vote against Trump. Biden's 6 million votes were by running up numbers in safe states, not a convincing electoral victory. The actual difference between winning and losing was 44k votes. Less than what would have flipped 2016 (80k), so unless you're going to call Trump vs. Clinton a solid victory, Biden's was a squeaker in an election that shouldn't have been close.