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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 115 points 5 days ago (5 children)

This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.

This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”

This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.

This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.

No I didn’t read the article.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage.

Given his falling out with his ex-wife and penchant for alcoholism, they're arguably better off without him, assuming he wasn't already a deadbeat dad.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Having a wife and kids is not a free pass, and is no ethical shield. Fight me. Little Jimmy can cry about it in his nepo baby Ferrari.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure. Can you explain why this guy gets charged with terrorism, but school shooters and Jan 6ers don’t?

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Perception management, probably. I thought terrorism applied to upsetting state entities not private ones. How, by any stretch of the imagination, is a private health insurance company part of the United States government? It’s bizarre. Jan 6 would fall under that umbrella for sure.

What do you think?

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My thoughts is they’re making an example of him because he went after the true ruling class - CEOs. And the Jan 6 ers went after “the help” so the cops don’t care. Just like when the children of the masses are gunned down in schools. Get a school shooter at the private academy the president’s kids all attend and suddenly the ruling class will care.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

“The help”. That deserves more attention.

[–] turtle@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

Just curious, what do you mean by "gun arguments aside"?

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m a gun owner. There is a subset of people who think that alone makes you unhinged as a human being.

Luigi is just crazy enough to do what he did (allegedly). Probably not even a gun owner beyond an engineer guy makes this tool/thing on his printer and then learns how to become proficient using that tool/thing. I don’t think Luigi was LARPing training exercises with an AK, with friends, in the northern MI woods. I think he probably approached it the same way the rest of us would approach learning Linux for our next PC build.

[–] turtle@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I see, thanks for the clarification! I thought you were referring to the actual manifesto, and I was going to point out that the supposed real one didn't mention guns at all, but if I recall correctly the fake one did. So never mind me.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Shit, now I’m wondering. I’m talking about the pseudo apologetic one that talks about printing the gun. Not being the best person to decide this, etc.

[–] turtle@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh, I think that's the real one. Really short, only mentions CAD instead of actually printing the gun, and refers to Moore who can explain things better.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

On that note, Moores reaction is interesting.

[–] turtle@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

For sure, I thought the same thing.