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[–] jdw@links.mayhem.academy 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Don’t certs just create an ephemeral key pair that disappears after the session anyhow? What does cert validity period have to do with “This is a big upgrade for the security of the TLS ecosystem because it minimizes exposure time during a key compromise event.”

I mean, it’s LE so I’m sure they know what their talking about. But…?

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

compromising a keypair is a huge win. lets you impersonate the domain. shorter validation periods = smaller windows of compromised situations.

basically the smaller you make the window the less manual intervention and the less complicated infrastructure gets. currently TLS systems need a way to invalidate certificates. get them down to a day and suddenly that need just disappears. vastly simplifying the code and the system. 6 days is a huge improvement over 90 days.

[–] jdw@links.mayhem.academy 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ok, I slid right by the “compromised” word. Makes sense now.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

you mean you slid right on by an understanding of how security infrastructure works. since one always assumes credentials will be compromised.

[–] jdw@links.mayhem.academy 0 points 5 days ago

I mean I just missed that part.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm far from an expert on PKI, but isn't the keypair used for the cert used for key exchange? Then in theory, if that key was compromised, it could allow an adversary to be able to capture and decrypt full sessions.

[–] snowfalldreamland@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Im also not an expert but i believe since there Is still an ephemeral DH key exchange happening an attacker needs to actively MITM while having the certificate private key to decrypt the session. Passive capturing wont work

[–] jdw@links.mayhem.academy 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

No. Perfect Forward Secrecy (ephemeral keys) prevents this type of replay.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

Time for a dive, thanks.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

Although this only was added in TLS1.2 I think. I had to switch it on manually for my server.

I think it's default for TLS1.3.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 5 days ago

The key pair you're thinking of is just a singular key for a block cipher. That key needs to be generated/transmitted in a secure manner. Meaning that its security is dependent on the cert. The expiration time of that cert is what they're aiming at.