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That's pretty F'ed up
Is it? Men as a class are privileged. I’m fine with punching up.
Note this does not apply to individuals and certain subsets of men who may be relatively less privileged (gay men, black men, etc.)
Why do you think it’s fucked up? What’s the harm?
You're asking what the harm in bigotry is?
No, I’m asking you to explain a specific harm in a specific case which I don’t believe matches any reasonable definition of bigotry.
Ah, so bigotry is okay when it's against specific groups then. Gotcha.
Attempts to dodge the question make it clear that you cannot articulate any harm here. Which is one of the things that makes it not bigotry. Go touch grass mate.
I shouldn't need to articulate why its harmful to insult people based on attributes they were born with. Sex and gender are protected classes under the laws of almost every developed nation. Bigotry is harmful, even if you think that the group you're being bigoted towards has some perceived advantage. Arbitrarily stereotyping 50% of the earth's population is foolish and closed-minded.
We’re not even talking about insulting people. We’re talking about humor that points out the very real fact that men are by a huge margin the main perpetrators of violence against women (and against men too!)
Again, how is that harmful?
You've moved the goalposts. Originally you said that it was okay because the targeted group is privileged, and now you're saying it's okay because they're the majority demographic for a specific crime. My response is the same either way though. It's wrong because it perpetuates harmful stereotypes against an entire group of people, rather than treating them as individuals like everyone deserves to be treated. Harmful stereotypes influence everything from common perception, all the way up to things like custodial preference in custody cases between two parents, regardless of the qualifications or behavior of the parents, or spousal abuse when the victim is a male. Substitute "men" for any other group and see how your majority demographic argument feels.