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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

All tankie users are in .ml, but not all .ml users are tankies.

You should always judge the merit of the comment, not whether or not the person is from .ml. If you see a comment that is pro-CCP or pro-Kremlin from an .ml user, then the point of the meme is valid. But a well-thought, benign, good-faith or wholesome comment from an .ml user should not be dismissed.

[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not everyone in a nazi bar is a nazi. Let's hear them out and give them the benefit of the doubt even though they could go to literally any bar, but keep going to the nazi bar

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When choosing an instance, it is not necessarily overtly advertised as such. It's just one of the largest instances, so many "regular" people are obviously going to pick it. New users are not going to be intimately familiar with the elaborate politics of federated Lemmy servers upon first arrival. It would be a bit bizarre to expect them to be.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's why I am working to stopped supporting lemmyml. I have created a few new communities already. I don't want to mod to much so it would be nice if some other people followed suite.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah it seems a lot of the bigger communities from Lemmy.ml have seen alternatives grow in popularity on different instances now.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Makes sense given the current Lemmyml admins

[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sure, and anyone can walk into a nazi bar. But with threads like this being fairly common, and ML people behaving as they do, you have every chance to realise pretty quickly and leave

Hell, ML people are bad enough that I imagine a lot of sane people leave lemmy entirely, if they pick an instance that hasn't defederated ML yet. I'm looking at alternatives myself as getting associated with these types of people isn't a great idea, and the lemmy developers are part of the problem

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No doubt many have tried the fediverse and walked away because of Lemmy.ml/hexbear.

I don't even admit that I use it as is because of the propaganda. I'm still hopeful for the future but my enthusiasm is dying.

[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Same, I can't recommend lemmy to friends or coworkers because of this. Mastodon is much better at this

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe I'll switch to Mastadon. I find myself going back to Reddit as often as using Lemmy these days, so maybe it's time.

I suspect everyone switching won't solve the problem. Seems unavoidable that open-access, anonymous social media will be a target for propaganda any time it becomes popular. If everyone leaves for Mastadon, the shills and their LLMs will move over there.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean I just never ended up subscribing to political communities, so I never see any political related things anyway. If you only subscribe to meme and lighthearted communities, you're not likely to run into that stuff. Your comparison of it being a "Nazi bar" doesn't work. I've never been someone who browsed the "all" category of Reddit, and I've not been inclined to do that here on Lemmy, either. So no, you often won't see that sort of thing unless you're browsing by all communities.

[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, you'd need to pay a very specific amount of attention to not notice the tankies from ML, but really notice and be bothered but people shunning ML because of the tankies. I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely to be common

[–] dingus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well now you're not making any sense. I don't see "tankie" comments because I don't subscribe to or browse political communities. Yet I see plenty of posts and complaints about said users in non-political communities. Check where we are right now. We're in a meme community. Of course if I subscribe to meme communities, I'll see posts and comments like this. It's not that complicated to understand.

[–] lurklurk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I see plenty of ML people being awful in meme communities. I'm amazed you don't. Any even remotely political meme will attract them, or at least would back when they were out in force supporting Trump leading up to the election.

And that is even though I've blocked ML and have a hair trigger for blocking .ml accounts

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I am sorry to hear that tbh. The only instance I blocked was lemmynsfw (altho not the users) because porn kept flooding my screen whenever I would attempt to browse for new communities. I also blocked a buttload of lemmygrad.ml communities before I had the ability to block instances, but I'm not sure if my instance even federates with them anyway. For users, I only ever ended up blocked one person evidently according to my account info.

[–] srestegosaurio@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I used to be on ml when I first joined lemmy because I did know better, now I love my instance.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you really love or have any feeling towards your instance? I think of it more like an e-mail address than a "name" for like an apartment building or mascots/team name (probably why these posts confuse the shit out of me). My first instance had connection issues/downtime so I switched to .ml. Almost switched from them like a month ago because of slow loading times but seems to be better the past couple of weeks (this is the basics of html, I shouldn't have to "watch" it load).

I just always scroll on All (active), and sometimes subscribed if I'm feeling in the mood so I never even consider my instance unless something technical or posts like this come up. I have a couple of mobile devices that I'm never logged into that I'll pop up lemmy on from different instances (.world, .ee, etc), I actually am less likely to use an instance that advocates heavy defederation.

[–] srestegosaurio@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't mean it in a parasocial relationship way or anything. I just like the vibe here and think the admin is cool.

Also, the more decentralised the network is the better for everyone involved.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Except the pro-Russians won't say they're pro-Russians.

A lot of Russian propaganda is just sowing FUD.

Here's a tangentially related comic, as I just read the latter bit of your comment in that tone, (not saying you're guilty of the same things.)

Basically, because being directly pro-Russia is so see-through, a lot of bad actors merely sow FUD. For one check Davel@lemmy.ml if you want an example. A very polite person who lists links and sources (firehose of falsehood is also a soviet strategy btw).

Dude pretends to be American, talks American politics, but always in line with Russian propaganda, while saying things like "reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias" and absolutely refusing to address whether he is pro-Russian or not, despite very clearly having talking points which show he is strongly pro-Russian.

So either he's an American who fucking loves Soviet culture and larps being Russian, is actively against Ukraine and believes Russia was eight to invade it, so the least patriotic American to ever exist.

OR... (and I believe this to be a tad more likely) he's actually a lying Russian.

But Russians aren't known for disinformation and lies, right? Right....?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, of course you are right. But for those less experienced on discourse, there is the principle of charity. It is important to give the benefit of the doubt that the interlocutor is acting in good faith. But when you exhaust all the good-faith and sensible arguments, and that person resorts to either providing irrational points or acting unreasonably and/or disingenuously, then it is completely safe to assume that the person is actually a bad-faith actor. It's on that person, not on you.

But you should not readily accuse someone a troll unless you could calmly point out why the person is such and such. Trolls exactly want you to do that.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The admins of ml are tankies and so are a lot of the communities there. The non tankie users are moving away from that instance which increases the tankie concentration.

I think what you are meaning to say is that many tankies can behave like normal people. To take your comment farther, tankies can be anywhere but you will most likely see them coming from I stances like ml and hexbear or fresh accounts on other instances.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

This is like listening to a drunk uncle rant about "them" after watching a tiktok video that triggered him. "The non tankie users are moving away" "tankies can behave like normal people" "tankies can be anywhere"

The admins of ml are tankies and so are a lot of the communities there

... communities like Memes? How about the most popular AskLemmy community that everyone uses? Linux, Privacy, Programmer Humor, wtf are you even talking about now? You've fully lost it with this "tankie" hate that's apparently being fueled by being on here so often. You've probably associated any/most downvotes or disagreements into this "tankie"-fantasy which is just further driving it at this point.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

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