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Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum dismissed reports of a potential U.S. “soft invasion” to combat cartels as “entirely a movie,” emphasizing Mexico’s sovereignty as a free, independent nation.

The Rolling Stone report claims Donald Trump’s incoming administration is considering covert military operations in Mexico, including airstrikes and assassinations of cartel leaders.

While Trump and key officials like Pete Hegseth and Marco Rubio support such measures, experts warn they could backfire by boosting cartel recruitment, undermining Mexican sovereignty, and fostering cartel-Mexican authority collaboration.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 52 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

That's up to Mexico to decide, gringo. Short your own shit first. Maybe end the stupidity of the war on drugs that caused the cartels to become economically powerful in the first place. Then let's talk.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think even if the US legalized all drugs today the cartels would still be in business. Human smuggling, human trafficking, extortion, kidnapping, and even avocados! The genie has been out of the bottle for a very long time.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Avocados tell you what the end game is. The cartels are going to use their money hordes to form corporations. Then they will buy out the government to take over Mexican sovereignty. That's how the US "defeated" organized crime.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Flashbacks to the United Fruit Company... Wait, I don't even have to go that far... Flashbacks to Chiquita Brands International.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ending prohibition ended the reign of that generation of American gangsters though. Beyond that, I'm for a whole bunch of bleeding heart pinko policies. Open borders for example, a Pan-American Schengen.

[–] greenashura@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You do realize cartels and human trafficking groups exist because there's a high demand of that in the USA?

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. Unfortunately human trafficking doesn’t go away when you legalize prostitution. You still need to do a lot of police work to track down the traffickers and free the victims.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It becomes easier when you can go to the police and you don't get thrown in jail for the job you were doing.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

You’d be surprised at how much the traffickers can adapt to this. They keep their victims in a group, renting out hotel rooms, constantly moving from place to place. The victims never know where they are, not even what city they’re in. They don’t have any local contacts, no social network, no supports. They basically have to work up the courage to escape from men (whom they believe will kill them) and run to the police in a completely unfamiliar city with no help.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We've been working on that though, at least in blue states.

I think there's value in having US troops stationed in Mexico to fight cartels and root out corruption as long as Mexico agrees to it. I understand that this isn't what Trump is advocating for though.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

If the Mexican government actually, freely requests it, that's their right. The point is that the US should not do in Mexican territory anything the Mexican government does not specifically endorse.

[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This response right here is the statement that makes the border just get more and more violent. The US is just going to start pulling a Poland and kill anyone who attempts crossing-no questions asked-unless mexico taskes some actual action against the Sinaloa and gulf cartels.

So far all they do is get in bed with them and let the problem spiral to the point where they don't have to acknowledge law enforcement.

So call names and be racist all you want, this shit will happen regardless of what Mexico 'wants'. They're not powerful enough to get a say, that's just the way it is.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So basically, the melian dialogue, might makes right, that's where we're at, right? Go ahead, treat the rest of the hemisphere as your private fiefdom, and then be surprised about antiamericanism. Look at the way you're talking. It's like the 19th fucking century all over again. "Racist"? What the fuck man. You got offended by "gringo"?! Really?! You're talking like a United Fruit Company exec and you're calling me a racist? You put "wants" in quotation marks and you call me a racist? As if what, Mexico is not a real country, right? They don't get a say, right? Angloamericans know best. The rest are just pretend countries. I'm Canadian and even I vomit a bit with the imperialist attitudes being expressed in this thread, and your feefees got hurt by the word gringo? Tabarnak des maudits esti d'americains, calisse de caves.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Skepticism-deprived people — eager to believe and spread obvious untruths like what you've posted — are the biggest danger America faces.