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I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 116 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (19 children)

Here's a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:

in .ml alternative
asklemmy !asklemmy@lemm.ee, !asklemmy@sh.itjust.works
linux !linuxquestions@lemmy.zip, !linux@linux.community, !linux@programming.dev
memes !memes@sopuli.xyz, !memes@slrpnk.net
programmerhumor !programmer_humor@programming.dev
world news !news@beehaw.org
technology !technology@sh.itjust.works
funny !funny@sh.itjust.works
ukraine !ukraine@sopuli.xyz

Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It's fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they're being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.

EDIT: as people noticed I'm not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I'm adding stuff that you guys suggest.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

I suggest you add !globalnews@lemmy.zip to the news section. Beehaw isn't accessible to people on instances they've defederated from or instances that have defederated them.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 55 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen's Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry).. like wat 😂

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 hours ago

The irony of so-called Marxist-Leninists refusing to be self-critical...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_and_self-criticism_(Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism)

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 32 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, typical lemmy.ml . They have a hard time understanding that you can support a certain ideology without necessarily turning a blind eye to everything that people claim to be doing for the sake of said ideology, or that any criticism against their actions is automatically false.

I remember you, by the way. You were already an old Lemmy user when I joined in, 3y ago!

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 8 points 14 hours ago

My OG account is 6 years old 👴

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

memes:

and for more specialized memes:

world news: I realize you're avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you're listing !news@beehaw.org, but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Their sidebar has a longish explanation of where they're coming from.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I'll check it out, thanks.

Edit: sounds good to me. Especially that last bit.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 46 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 8 points 14 hours ago

It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance's target audience is wider than it actually is.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 30 points 19 hours ago

Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

Do they though?

I was rejected when I first tried to sign up (when I was entirely new to lemmy) and they're turning at least one user away now

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 2 points 10 hours ago

Yep. I was not accepted several times. Now I am

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.

Anyway, it's still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

3 years ago were there any other instances with traction? Agreed on your second point.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 7 minutes ago

Lemmygrad.ml is 5 years old, and hexbear.net is 4 years old.

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[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 35 points 19 hours ago

the main issue with .ml is ~~transparency~~ authoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the admins

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 22 points 19 hours ago

Mmhmm, mmhmm - secret laws, secret trials - definitely not authoritarian behavior at all.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 25 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn't have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don't like there crappy memes

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 34 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying "don't criticise Russia or China here". It's fine as long as the rules are clear.

But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR "no bigots"). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.

And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they're ~~full of gullibleness and don't get the purpose of this utterance~~ dumb fucks.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 10 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn't exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It isn't a high mark, I agree. But while the "kill you are self lol." thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I get what you are saying: shittiness that happens daily is a more consistent pattern than something that happens ONCE.

On the other hand, an admin telling someone to literally kill themselves is such an extreme event that it might be grounds for their removal as an admin?

It's an age-old philosophy problem: which is worse, stealing daily vs. actually killing someone once?

Or is that a trick question, since both are kinda shitty, no?

In any case, what happens when someone does BOTH of them?

The answer is ofc literally nothing, when said person is protected by the instance admins who are also the developers of this codebase. I wonder what would have happened though if Huffman was caught saying something similar to the users of Reddit? Yeah, nothing, that's right - it's not like we would leave Reddit or anything:-P. (Except I did, and now I've left Lemmy too, hello from PieFed!:-D)

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Afaik the admins are the creators of lemmy right? Or are they just the creators of a particular instance? If its the first i would imagine they are the only ones that can de-admin themselves, and if its the latter i would imagine no one can de-admin them

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

Dessalines is literally one of the people who founded Lemmy, so the former

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

!asklemmy@lemmy.world has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 28 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn't put even more eggs in that basket, you know.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

But maybe we shouldn't throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Nobody is throwing eggs out. I'm recommending one basket instead of another, that's it.

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 12 points 19 hours ago

An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)
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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Hello! That's a very lovely formatted table with links, however, clicking on them does nothing for me whilst clicking on links otherwise in the replies does take me to the respective communities. I don't know if it's just me though.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

That's weird - are you accessing lemmy through a browser, or some app?

Check if it works here: !funny@sh.itjust.works

If it does then it's the table interacting weirdly with the links, I can fix it by removing the table.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 1 minute ago

Fwiw all the links work fine for me from both PieFed and Lemmy.World base web UI even without an account. So it must be an app issue, and all the "standard" methods of access work.

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