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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A society with a majority of voters who are petty, greedy, ruining everything.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Not their fault. Don't hate the non-wealthy ones, pity them.

They're deluded to be that way by the owner's for profit media propaganda and captured public education teaching us all that reveling in ~~greed~~ "rational self-interest" and being a rugged individual instead of a member of a society is the only way to live. You have to think critically (something most aren't taught until college by design) and actively buck that programming to actually see the reality for what it is.

There used to be something called the social contract, but that was set on fire so long ago with the false delusion lie impressed onto us by the owners of one day becoming the millionaires inflicting ourselves on society, many don't even know the term.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 4 hours ago

On one hand, yes, sure.

But on the other hand, those people have instant access to worldwide knowledge in the palm of their hand just like you and I do. They are misled, but they are also choosing (even if subconsciously) to wallow in their cynicism and hatred with the slightest bit of permission from their echo chamber.

pity them.

yeah brb going to pity the person that lives in a continual state of anger and madness, only feeling hope and positivity at a trump rally, real quick.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not their fault. Don’t hate the non-wealthy ones, pity them.

Why? Why should I pity adults who make awful decisions that degrade the quality of all our lives? I didn't receive some special education. I wasn't privileged. But I didn't end up stupid enough to do what they've done. They vote the way they do because they're intellectually lazy and choose to prize emotion over facts. That's not some rich person's fault. That's not the media's fault. That's THEIR fault. It's wrong to try to excuse that for them.

We aren't talking about children here. We're talking about grown ass adults.

I understand people are desperate, but desperation doesn't just make you a drone to be impressed upon by the wealthy and manipulative. Being lazy, or weak, or hateful does. You don't need some higher education to understand right from wrong.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Some North Koreans see Kim Jong Un as a literal deity, because that is what they are indoctrinated to "know."

Some people have smart parents that help them, some people are naturally gifted, some people see the horror capitalism inflicts from an early age at a personal level that overrides the programming, but our nation is captured by the capital market, as its education system.

They probably aren't fixable, but our millions upon millions of willfully ignorant capitalism worshippers voting and advocating directly against their own interests were made, not born that way. They are the default, the ideal laborer, from the owner's perspective, the kind that accepted their lies as self-evident, including hatred for anyone but devout capitalist market worshippers.

Your rank and file Republican voter was just a kid of average intelligence or below, fashioned into a soldier for big capital to maintain the exploitation they themselves are also subject to in perpetuity.

But if that isn't enough, the most important reason to pity the poor ignoramuses is this:

The owners WANT those intelligent and equipped enough with critical thinking and reasoning to hate and fight the caste of ignoramuses they've made. That is a feature not a bug, because so long as the ones that can see this crony capitalist system for what it is hate the ignorant masses that defend it against their own interests, and vice versa, we'll never have the ability to rise up against them. It's yet another layer of control.

By hating the victims of capitalist indoctrination, rather than understanding they are victims too and a painful symptom of the disease that lives in capital markets, you're doing exactly what the owners want. Those with hundreds of millions in exploited capital are our actual enemy, debating/fighting the legions of their lobotomized victims/useful idiots is a sideshow.

Those people are a blight, don't get me wrong, but if there is a solution at all, it's bypassing them and fighting the tiny class of people that created them, easily identifiable by the way, as they love to be on Forbes lists that show off their ego scores.

Almost always, if you want to know who the real problem/perpetrators are, you need only identify who's holding the big bag of loot thanks to the situation. Ho dunk Cletus in the trailer park may have voted for Trump twice, but he is not a beneficiary, just a cultist who isn't bright enough to understand he's a cultist.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

I mean I wholeheartedly agree with everything you're saying except the fault not ultimately being on the average voter.

We don't live in the dark ages. All information is freely available to all voters. That information is power. Power that we're choosing not to wield or wielding irresponsibly.

Now, you can argue that in places like North Korea, that isn't true. They're under lock and key. Although I do believe they have some concept of an outside world and what's available in that outside world. And regardless of whether you're under a regime that's limiting information, you can still determine if your life sucks. Even without any outside stimulus to act as a basis of comparison.

This isn't a regime...yet. We have access to the data. We have the power to vote. It's our fault for not using the tools provided to us responsibly.