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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

This is a border patrol agent invading a Miami Home to take that small boy on the right (Elian Gonzalez) back to Cuba.

This was a defining moment of the 1990s. What happened here was a Cuban family had a claim on Elian Gonzalez, meaning not only was he an illegal alien, arguably the US-side of the Family was kidnapping him. Gonzalez's father (Cuban side) pushed heavily for US to get Elian back. Ultimately, Clinton agreed with the Father and used deportation agents to capture the child and bring him back to Cuba (effectively deporting him).

Nonetheless, armed troops invading a Miami private home caused a national-level outrage event. Even though it was a 100% illegal alien with a 100% legitimate claim to be deported (ie: be reunited with his Father).


The stories of what will transpire here under Trump will be far more horrific and less gray. They will likely include US Citizens who forgot to hold onto a Driver's License and suddenly are disappeared (especially if he uses untrained dumbasses like US Military, composed largely of 18 year olds who were too dumb to go to college).

We can rely upon the outrage that will occur, but only if we document and take pictures of the horror. The focus needs to be on documenting the horrors as the next step. In any case, no reasonable troop will want to be seen as the man on the left, and no commander will want to be the one to sign their name okaying something like this again.


That also ignores 4th Amendment issues and court cases. How many homes and warrants are they going to issue? Just fucking everyone in a neighborhood? Like how do you actually make this work?

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago

I remember when this happened and think about it often and its significant impact in the world of spin, media bias, and disinformation.

We don't get such large media stories about immigrants here in Texas. We just get small articles about dozens of people watched drowning while crossing the river or suffocating in train cars.

The people here are numb and complacent about those stories and they'll soon be downright malicious when they realize no one cares or everyone is too scared to do anything.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Like how do you actually make this work?

There's pretty much one solution to this problem, as the Germans found out. These people will be placed in concentration camps while they languish and slowly die.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

These people will be placed in concentration camps

Passive voice because you're ignorant. Who will place people in concentration camps?

Because the who is incredibly important in this scenario and tells us how to fight. Are you saying the military will be deployed to create concentration camps across America? Are you saying local Police need to build these camps and maintain them? Or, does Donald trump need to pass a new law + build a new organization from scratch that will oversee this?

For-profit prison system still requires $$$$ to be pumped in for it to work. Where does Trump get the money for these facilities? Do the local states pay for them?


I'm talking about our serious next option here. Not pie in the sky fantasy scenarios. The realistic move is a boneheaded attempt by Trump to deploy the military for a mass deportation attempt, but he hasn't thought that far ahead yet. He hasn't figured out where people will be imprisoned, he hasn't figured out how to train the military for this task. He hasn't figured out US Citizen rights during deportation sweeps. He hasn't figured out jurisdiction yet. Etc. etc.

There's details to the plan that we can disrupt as it comes into fruition. We resist at every step and stop it at every turn possible.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Passive voice because you're ignorant. Who will place people in concentration camps?

Listen, just because you haven't paid attention to the things the Trump team has published and said doesn't mean you need to call someone else ignorant.

Theyve already said they plan to use local agencies to assist and anyone refusing would lose their federal funding. There are PLENTY of Sheriffs that would jump on the chance to round people up. Your assumption that the feds, ICE, and CBP won't play ball is completely unfounded. They have people already lined up for positions they need to make this happen. That's on top of Trump's former campaign manager literally saying they want assistance from their followers as "shock troops" for this as well. They've begun targeting sites for new detention centers near large cities. All of this shit you should already know Mr Expert.

You want to make the argument that theyre too incompetent to be successful, fine. That's probably our biggest safety net right now. But acting like it's not possible or that they don't have explicit plans is asinine.