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I mean, if an elephant dies what do they do with the body?

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[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

you don't have to be vegan to help stop animal cruelty. there are many, many humane and legit ways to help animals without veganism. not drinking milk or eating eggs doesn't matter.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

“You don’t have to stop the faucet before starting to mop”

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Stopping the cruelty from the root of it is the best way to do it.

Go vegan!

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

eating eggs and milk is not animal cruelty

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Calves being ripped from their mothers and male chicks macerated is not animal cruelty?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something doesn't stop causing suffering because you call it a different name.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

it's not cruelty. the suffering isn't the intention, it's just incidental.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

you act like thats literally the only way we can have milk and eggs. be real man.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

The vast majority of that is through factory farming. It’s a cheap cop out from personal responsibility saying you only “buy local animal products.” You probably eat at restaurants or at friends’ houses without checking the source of those.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The only way you can have cows milk is by impregnating cows. Google how this is done, there is tutorial videos on YouTube. It is horrible.

The only way people have egg laying hens is by killing the male chicks. This happens even with backyard chickens.

Be real man.

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's extremely rare outside of I think Germany but they have commercial in-ovo sexing for laying chickens now. Living conditions for laying chickens are still fucked though.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you have a source? I can’t find statistics on how many eggs sold are actually using this method.

I found an article from the guardian that mentions it is 98.5% accurate (as claimed by the company, not peer-reviewed) and they somehow claim the eggs sold using this method did not kill any male chicks. What do they do with the 1.5% of hatchlings that are male? Just put them in a cage to die of natural causes? There is billions of hens so that would be millions of male hatchlings even if this method was used in the real world (which I can’t find proof of)

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 1 points 1 week ago

There's an industry article here. They still raise the males that slip through for meat which sucks. But Germany has banned male chick culling so as far as I can tell it's all hatcheries in Germany using this method, possibly all eggs sold in Germany.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

This happens even with backyard chickens.

Damn, I’m vegan and I didn’t even know that 😭

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don't care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn't make them bad.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All your examples are either voluntary or in the best interest of the animal.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it's generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe being alive is of a higher benefit to any individual.

Dogs, cats and bunnies all live longer when spayed/neutered.

Spayed female cats in the study lived 39% longer and neutered male cats lived 62% longer. https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/why-you-should-spayneuter-your-pet#:~:text=Another%20study%2C%20conducted%20by%20Banfield,male%20cats%20lived%2062%25%20longer.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I think we have different values

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm gonna start doubling my portions

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Epic bacon bro, never heard that one before.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

hey, you're not going to change anyones mind coming in here and them telling they're wrong and chastise them for not being vegan. you don't know me, but i guarantee that method is wasting your time.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Damn bro, you let a vegan change your habits?