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Berlin lawmaker Antje Kapek of the Green Party proposed introducing women-only carriages on the city’s underground trains to enhance safety, inspired by a similar approach in Tokyo.

Kapek cited rising nighttime attacks on women and crowded evening conditions as reasons for the measure, which is still a proposal without legislative backing.

Her suggestion follows a recent rape case on the Berlin metro. The city’s BVG transport authority expressed doubts, arguing current safety measures, including 250 security staff and emergency contact points, are sufficient.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Maybe teach your men to respect women's boundaries? Always treating the symptoms and not the root cause. Works the other way too.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I do, but I also refuse to instill self hatred in my little boy and treat him like he's some monster that's dangerous and needs to be educated into being human. I have a daughter and a son and I see both the need to keep women safe, while at the same time not demonizing men and making boys feel like they're hated or like they need to walk on eggshells through life

[–] fern@lemmy.autism.place 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah if you instill respect of others, you dont need to teach them to walk on eggshells.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ugh. You people have nothing to say, just barfing platitudes. No actual substance

[–] fern@lemmy.autism.place 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The substance is be a decent person, I'm sorry if you struggle to comprehend that.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Whatever makes your feel better about yourself

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

#AllMen but #NotAllWomen but #Equality, right?

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Shhhh….. don’t say the thing out loud

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That works great for regular guys. Not so great for the evil psychopaths who just don’t care what we try to teach them and will always be looking for people to victimize.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What keeps the evil psychopath from just entering the womens carriage?

Unless there is a conductor at every station to enforce it, this is just the same nonsense with claiming that excluding transgender people from bathrooms to somehow repel assailants.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Norms. Same thing for women’s bathrooms. Unless you are alone in there, the psychopath is going to face multiple women yelling at him to leave.

As a society of laws we like to think we can solve everything by just writing a good law. Sometimes it’s much better to create situations where strong norms can solve the problem without the need for law enforcement. Norms are like laws where everyone is an enforcer.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those will always be a small part. If it's culturally clear what is harrassment and shouldn't be tolerated, it's far more likely that 1) there are actual consequences to sexual harrassment because victims feel comfortable speaking up and 2) that bystanders will try to intervene. Both of which make it less likely for anyone to even try.

When speaking up is met with "you dressed wrong", "he was just trying to get to know you", that is the core problem. Adding "you were on the wrong train car" isn't necessarily helpful.

Japans women-only cars are sadly necessary, but the focus should be on making them unnecessary, not adding gender segregation in more places.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

The issue with psychopaths is that although they may be rare, they can have an outsized impact. It only takes one of them to victimize hundreds of people and create an atmosphere of terror.