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[–] FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Harris was popular when she first announced.

I don't think she was popular when first announced, rather the fact that not-Biden was popular.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago
[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm convinced that Biden would have won.

I personally believe that this is not Biden's or Kamala's fault. It's the old-school Democrat establishment's fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections. Lichtman predicted a Biden win, bad debate performance and all, and the dems fucked it up.

To be transparent, I still believed Lichtman when he said Harris would win. I will never believe in his stuff again, unless he adds new keys or something.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I personally believe that this is not Biden’s or Kamala’s fault. It’s the old-school Democrat establishment’s fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections.

Yes. Every time, even in 2020 when the mood of the country was very different, they are afraid to run anything other than center-right candidates because they "aren't electable". Guess what - your corporatist center-right candidates are consistently priming people to receive the protectionist messages from the fascists, Maybe fucking try something different some time, fucking DNC!

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

OK, the next question is: How do we convey this to liberals who think we want the dems to lose?

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In the words of my boomer mother, "Things aren't going to get better until the boomers die off."

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's probably not even boomers anymore. This community, full of everything from hardcore progressives to literal communists, has gone feral defending Harris's disaster of a campaign. You couldn't, and still can't, call the DNC out for running a horrible candidate with a horrible (nonexistent) platform without being called a troll or a Russian bot. The new generation fell for the two party system hook, line and sinker.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think y'all just need to come to terms that America is further right than the Democrat party, and the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.

How would we know that? They've never tried.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago

Because there's no point flirting with the non-existent further left.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Huh? Obama won by getting leftist votes so that clearly isn't true.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What leftist votes and in what numbers?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean look up Obama's presidential campaign. He flipped red states and won blue states by running on a progressive anti status quo platform, and in doing so wiped the floor with the Republican candidate.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would I look it up when I lived through it already. He ran a fairly standard Democratic campaign.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

Huh???? Okay you gotta be shitting me. I'm not American so while I know that's impossible but I can't really refute their personal experience so can an American around here do it?

I'll just quote this:

Many pundits have considered Obama's 2008 campaign to be one of the greatest political underdog stories in U.S. history.[9][10] The campaign is credited for shifting the status quo of the Democratic platform, especially on issues such as healthcare reform.