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'Scripture is very clear': New House Speaker tells Congress God has 'ordained' them (www.alternet.org)

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Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, in his first remarks after being elected Wednesday afternoon, told Members of Congress that “Scripture” and “the Bible” are clear that they have been “ordained” by God.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the Constitution and its Amendments are very clear about a separation of church and state.

[–] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok, show me where it says that then

[–] EsheLynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be Required as a Qualification To any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Specifically, I like this line here, that was present in the third paragraph I quoted from the Constitution:

no religious Test shall ever be Required as a Qualification To any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that we specifically don't care if God, Allah, Buddha, or whoever says they are supposed to be in power?

Edit: and since we both want to be dickheads, today, why don't you show me where it says in the Constitution to base our laws around the bible?

[–] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

None of that says that church and state must be separate, just that there can be no religious test. There's nothing in there barring him from saying "I think God blesses the people here"

In fact, to really be edgy, that also doesn't prevent the government from say donating $10B each year to some Christian church.

To your second point, I never suggested that the Constitution says we should base our laws around the Bible.

My only point is the oft quoted Separation of church and state is only an idea from the Jefferson papers. If you want to make sure church and state remain separate, and the new speaker doesn't start using federal funds for his church, perhaps it's time to actually put separation into the Constitution?

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

[–] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

That's really more a bar on state religion, that again doesn't really prevent our new speaker from say proposing a bill that donates Federal funds to his favorite church, so long as the government isn't in control of said church.