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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok, so no actual deal right? Just discussions. Gotcha.

So in the absence of any actual deal that was supposedly reneged on Cuba's part. What's the justification of the sanctions imposed by Trump and Biden, and it's continuation of it?

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

No actual documents exist for the diplomc thaw. If you want those, fill out an FOI request. Otherwise, the congressional journal will have to do.

Here's your justification

https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2019/cuba/#:~:text=Overview%3A%20Cuba%20was%20designated%20as,guerrilla%20groups%20and%20individual%20terrorists.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

No actual documents exist for the diplomc thaw.

Because they don't exist.

You're link is for 2019. Biden ran in 2020 and he included in his platform to move towards normalizing relationships with Cuba. He has since decided to impose even more sanctions which had a direct negative result on the Cuban economy making them much more vulnerable to disasters like this. So again, what are the justifications of the sanctions?

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

The link still stands at State. It's the current position.

What new sanctions? Specifics.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

Ok so show me evidence of this supposed deal then.

The link still stands at State. It’s the current position.

And Biden campaigned on changing it but broke that promise.

What new sanctions? Specifics.

It's literally in the article as well as one of the excerpts I quoted to you in my first comment:

Instead, Biden has one-upped Trump by going further than the previous administration in attacking Cuba’s tourism industry – the main engine of the island’s economy. Two years ago, the Biden State Department barred foreigners who visit Cuba from visa-free travel to the U.S.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Thats not new, the US can and does bar travel in the US based on previous travel. Post 911, if you visit a terrorist state, you don't get to roam the US. But, it's interesting that you blame Cuba's electrical grid failure on it.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok now you're really just being intentionally obtuse. The terrorist designation was older than the Biden administration. The limitations on the tourism was during the Biden administration.

But, it’s interesting that you blame Cuba’s electrical grid failure on it.

I blame American sanctions on Cuba's inability to adequately help it's people during a disaster, yes.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not obtuse, it's a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

First, the way the Caribbean countries work, the original ownership countries are supposed to help out after disasters and sometimes they dont. So the british are reactive usually. France sometimes. Dutch do what they can. US should always be there for Puerto Rico and the VI.

I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US? Personally I'd be all for helping. To a point.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s not obtuse, it’s a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

Show me evidence of this supposed fact of yours then.

I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US?

An intentional deflection from the point of US sanctions harming Cuba's ability to support itself after a natural disaster. But to entertain your question, yes they did ask.

Personally I’d be all for helping. To a point.

No you just want to tie your views on humanitarian aid to political beliefs, and not actual humanitarian ones. It's abundantly clear you're not able to see America do anything wrong on the world stage and instead insist that everything it's done is justified but fail to actually provide the justifications.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

yes they did ask

They asked for money? That's kind of funny. They know Congress would never give them money.

No, actually I'd be for it, to a point. Had a friend of mine piloting a hurricane hunter during the height of tensions with Cuba. He was in the middle of a storm run and lost an engine. An oh shit moment and declared an emergency. Cuba gave himn permission to land, gave him coffee, fixed the plane, sent him on his way. Cuba watches NOAA and appreciates it.

But, not money. They can buy food and medical supplies from us, so maybe a small line of credit. Congress would be needed for that BTW

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I see nothing funny about a country whose in abject poverty, thanks to foreign interference, be in a dire situation due to a natural disaster.

They know Congress would never give them money.

Kinda the point, no?

They can buy food and medical supplies from us

With what fucking money?

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The expectation is funny, considering Congress hasn't financed disaster recovery in the US yet.

Its not the US taxpayer's problem if Cuba can't afford something. If you've ever visited the Caribbean you would know there are a lot of countries on a tight budget.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The expectation is funny, considering Congress hasn't financed disaster recovery in the US yet.

What? What are you even talking about here?

Its not the US taxpayer's problem if Cuba can't afford something. If you've ever visited the Caribbean you would know there are a lot of countries on a tight budget.

It is, when they apply international pressure to sanction them and forcing the entire country into poverty.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

What? What are you even talking about here?

Congress is not in session, and hasn't passed a bill to pay the damages from two hurricanes.

It is, when they apply international pressure to sanction them and forcing the entire country into poverty.

BS. There is no international pressure.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

And yet, the US just announced foreign aid to Gaza the other day.

BS. There is no international pressure.

Just read the article man. This is just getting sad. I feel like I'm talking to a MAGA voter with the amount of deflection and fanaticism you're displaying. And I haven't even touched on all the misinformation I had to call you out on.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Congress assigned money to be used by State some time ago.

I feel like the MAGA guys may not be wrong about about this woke thing. Though they do have Blame America instead of Blame Erybody Not US, it's still nativisum

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok so foreign aid can still be distributed. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

And yeah, you would think that way.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

When congress passes a foreign aid bill, it doesn't just open the wallet. The destination and conditions are stipulated.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

it doesn’t just open the wallet.

It kind of does.

The Office of Foreign Assistance is responsible for the supervision and overall strategic direction of foreign assistance programs administered by the U.S. Department of State and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).

See what I mean about how much misinformation you generate? How about your next reply comes with sources and backed up facts?

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

USAID is different than the humanitarian aid Gaza got. USAID is for specific projects at the department of states discretion. There are rules for what qualifies. For instance Egypt may need telecom cable and dont have the wherewithal, so they put in a USAID request. Theres a limited amount in USAID. I dont have time to teach you more.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont have time to teach you more.

No, you just have time to make up random facts and without sources. Again.

For instance Egypt may need telecom cable and dont have the wherewithal, so they put in a USAID request.

Similar to how Cuba asked for aid?

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If you actually knew how government funding works then I would have time.

No, In the case of Cuba they would not qualify for USAID even if they did fill out the paperwork. In addition, even if they did qualify USAID funds are sometimes not available for years.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for once again not providing me anything substantive. Arguing with you is truly a pathetic waste of time.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

I found it a waste of time. So let's stop.