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What's government enforced about it? Is ARM the only allowed chip designer for cellphones?
license enforcement is a thing because if someone bypasses it you can sue them, which is a government interaction. Technically, claiming X means nothing if there's no one that enforces your claim.
Yes but that rule protects you the same as it does them. They can be a monopoly if nobody else can get their chips sold but they cannot be a government enforced monopoly unless nobody else is allowed to sell chips.
That's your interpretation and that's fine but I understand that they have a monopolies because their patent is broad enough to be hard to create alternatives, and the patent is government enforced. That's how I understood it at least.
In any case, I don't really mind if you want to keep using your interpretation, I was just trying to rationalise what the other commenter said and explain what I though was their point of view to say what they said.
Have a great day.
That's not just my opinion. That's the definition going straight back to Adam Smith.
Copyrights and patents
That's not a government enforced monopoly. A government enforced monopoly means nobody else is allowed in the market. Like utility companies.
Lots of Utilities are consumer cooperatives which is funnily enough Socialist, but the people working there wouldn't like to hear that.
Nobody else is allowed to sell these phones without licenses
But they can sell phones.
That's called "monopolistic competition". They can't sell the same phone they were already making.
Yes. I'm not saying it's not monopolistic behavior. I'm saying it's not a government sanctioned monopoly.
Perhaps I should sell some without a license.
Okay? The company will be the one to enforce their license.
I didn't agree to their license.
But that's not criminal. That's civil. That's no different than a contract dispute. It's not government enforced, but it may be government mediated.
You could disobey a civil summons....but that's a different issue.
Civil law created and enforced by the goverment is goverment sanctioned. And FYI it is also criminal, you can go to goverment-sanctioned private prison for it.
Yes. I don't know what you are arguing. I don't think you do either.
Contract violation is a civil issue, not criminal. I think you agree with that.
You cannot get imprisoned for violating a contract. I think this is what you're missing.
However if you are sued for a contract violation, you will receive a civil summons.
A civil summons is a court order. That is word of law, and wilful disregard or disobedience of a court order is literally contempt of court.
You can get arrested for that. But that's not getting arrested for a contract violation, that's getting arrested for contempt.
Do you expect contempt to not have teeth? It's literally the underpinning of all modern courts, that participants in it have respect for the truth and respect for the court. Of course the court and the government has to protect and enforce that respect.
In case I was being unclear, it's copyright infringement that is also criminal.
And like I said, I didn't agree to the contract.
Just stop. This is the same bad faith rabbit hole libertarians use to say the government is all violence, from safety codes to taxes.
Fuck off, it is violence whether or not we believe it's justified.
Damn and I nearly made it the whole year without this stupid shit in my life. Oh well, there's always 2025!
May you never learn what state sponsored violence actually looks like.
State-sponsored violence isn't just concentration camps and gulags. It includes toiling your whole life to create IP for capitalists, while they profit by simply owning it.
Sure thing buddy. Just put the shovel down. You're only digging yourself in deeper.
Oh no not my karma.
Anyhow, I hope you understand someday, no hard feelings.
Lol, are you some sovereign citizen‽
The world doesn't work like that. You can't just say "No that thing isn't your! I didn't agree with it being yours."
Indeed, that's what makes it a goverment sanctioned monopoly.
No, it's government sanctioned non anarchy.
Go to Antarctica or something if you don't like society.
We've had states for a lot longer than we've had copyright and patents.
As tempting as it is to move to ~~Somalia~~ ~~Venezuela~~ Antarctica, I'd rather improve my home.
If you prefer medieval times then sure.
Was that anarchy?
Comparable, yes.
I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Lol copyrights and patents are capitalism
I agree