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[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Considering the previous two elections, Trump just called the majority of the country idiots.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even Trump can occasionally be right!

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

A broken clock is right twice a day; however, a broken cuckoo clock is still cuckoo all times of the day.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Biden wasn't that bad a choice. I would have preferred someone to the left of him, by a lot, but I can acknowledge that he's done an objectively good gob, all things considered.

That infrastructure bill is already righting the economy. I think it could go further, but these things take time. Even so, we're in a much better position today than 4 years ago. We could be better, but where we are isn't horrible for where we came from.

So yes, Biden has enacted policy competently. Overall a C+. Maybe even a B- but there are things I'm unhappy with.

Like his DoJ slow walking the Jan 6th prosecutions, and not being aggressive about them. I mean, it was an open conspiracy to overthrow the US government. That had the wife of a Supreme Court Justice involved, along with about a dozen former and current Republican lawmakers.

The sentencing hearings for all of them should have been held last year, and yet most of them haven't even been charged.

Then there are the genocides.... I can understand the ones where the US is not involved at all (beyond them being organized on Facebook, we should be doing something about that after all...) but the genocide in motion that the US is actively enabling... that shit needs to stop for Biden to get that coveted A.

Still miles better than Trump... And due to First Past the Post, that's the options we have. Come November 10th (for incumbents that win, Jan 10th for the newly elected) I'll be sending letters to my congressmen, and anyone else who's address I can find, talking about voting reform. Real voting reform, not the flawed RCV bullshit. But things like Approval and STAR.

Harris seems like the sort of person who will at least focus on the DoJ, so carrying on the Biden policies, and maybe a few tweaks of her own, she'd be in solid B- range. Maybe up to a B+ if she enacts some actual social policy. But no A until the Genocides stop, or at least is US stops enabling them.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Harris seems like the sort of person

That quote and the fact that she isn't Biden or Trump is her 90% of her campaign as of this moment. Feel free to link me her official platform otherwise.

Thank you for your grading scale breakdown. My own scale is quite different. "No A until the genocides stop" is an interesting viewpoint.

Also, this whole post kind of came out of left field. Perhaps, you meant to reply to my other post from yesterday?

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mostly it started as a Biden was old, and was a fairly good choice to follow Trump.

So Age need not be a disqualifier on its own...

After that, I started rambling a bit.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That makes more sense. Thank you for clarifying.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah I wasn’t happy about Biden, I held my nose and voted for him and was kinda shocked. I’m pissed about Palestine and suspect he’s going to be remembered as a soft hand in an era in need of major change. But the infrastructure bill is huge. Our infrastructure was in catastrophic straits and while it likely won’t be remembered for what it did, that’s a failing of humans not of the bill. The best trait vital infrastructure can have is boring, and according to the experts our infrastructure was on the verge of being downright exciting.

[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I basically agree 100% and am voting for Harris with no hesitation… however saying that the difference between a B+ and an A is a genocide or two is kind of an odd way to put it.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm a realist.

The US has been involved in one genocide or another since its founding. We Can do better, but likely will not.

And I'm also a student of history. Almost every country on the planet has been or is currently involved in some sort of genocide or ethnic cleansing. Because humans kind of suck. We can be better, but we almost never make that choice.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also the current choice is between "steady as she goes (genocide and all)" and "ramp that genocide right the fuck up, maybe do some at home again, too".

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Biden and Harris have made some slight noises about being unhappy with Israel.

But they're likely waiting for after the election to make any sort of move. But I'm not hopeful that it will be a large move.

Trump would make a large move to ramp things up.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m a realist.

The US has been involved in one genocide or another since its founding. We Can do better, but likely will not.

😦

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yup, the US was founded on high ideals and blatant hypocrisy.

We're doing better than when we started, but there's a lot of room to grow.

And I can say that is true for pretty much every country on Earth. Humanity in general can do better, but to actually put that into practice needs a highly educated population who are actively engaged with government. And to get there will require some structural changes to the government itself.

Changes like abandoning Ordinal Voting Systems in favor of Cardinal voting systems. And expanding the size of the government massively.

As much as I hate the corpo Dems, the Progressives might just be the key to moving forward. The Regressives of the Republican Party are right out, a complete step backward. And due to Plurality, those are our choices.

So yeah, we work with the system we have, until we can change it into something better.