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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Fascism is sociologically rooted in the sexual insecurity of men. That's why it's always men driving it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Fascism is Capitalism in decline. Masculinity is a recognized part of fascism, but fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, not in moral failures of men.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fascism is capitalism when the capitalist class gets too successful, as soon as the capitalists realize they can establish fascism they always do.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not quite. Fascism occurs when disparity rises, the petite bourgeoisie are being proletarianized, and collaborates with the bourgeoisie against rising class awareness and leftism among the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat. It isn't a symptom of success, but a defense mechanism.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yet capitalism "failing" somehow consistently happens in every capitalist economy, at this point its basically a feature of capitalism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. Capitalism is unsustainable, and naturally trends towards disparity and Imperialism.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yet what I find extremely intriguing is that the capitalist class profits immensely when capitalism decays and therefore actively contributes towards its downfall. Therefore in a sence fascism is when the capitalist class is too successful and when nobody pushes back against their decay and corruption.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

People absolutely push back, which is why fascism happens. It's a defense mechanism against it.

I suggest reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds, it explains fascism and its origins.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

Women live in the same declining capitalistic society as men, yet they are far more resistant to fascism. That's not to say there is something wrong with men or masculinity. Society puts different pressures on men and women so they react differently.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Masculinity by your argument is also rooted in the development of vaccines, all of the aspects of technological progress, and also all progressive social movements that have resulted in more equitable distribution of political power, ie voting rights act, giving women the vote, etc.

[–] cakey@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

I mean, if history lessons in Italy taught me anything, the 'super uomo D'Annunziano', "D'annunzio" and the original italian 'fascism' are pretty much linked.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have a reason to think this or did it just sound good in your head

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

There is a ton of academic interest in the relationship between sexuality and fascism. It was first noted in "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" by Wilhelm Reich after WW2. My comment is, of course, a massive oversimplification of a complex social dynamic.

It's the same dynamic that made US racists paranoid that black men wanted to rape white women when, in fact, their deeper fear was that white women wanted to have sex with black men. Fascists are particularly sensitive to sexual relations between "their women" and whomever they have chosen to blame for all their misfortunes.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

So facism is mens fault? I wonder how that effects a young man who isnt a facist while they are developing? Ur narrative is actively harming young men and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

Such profound concern trolling wisdom from the wisest of all Star Wars characters! soypoint-1 live-slug-reaction soypoint-2

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who’s the alien they’re pointing to?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Glup Shitto, who else?

spoilerReal answer is some extra with a silly Star Wars name that I don't even know.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 19 points 1 month ago

No, it's not "men's" fault, but the people who's fault it is are primarily men. That's not an opinion, that's just history, not to mention what's happening before our eyes. Even women who are fascist push patriarchy. There is no point in debating whether fascism is primarily a male driven phenomenon. The only legitimate question is why?

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is insulting as fuck. I grew up as a boy with plenty of reactionary beliefs because patriarchy is a fucking prison. And as I got older and got called out for it, you know what I didn’t do? Become a fucking fascist. I wasn’t pushed towards fascism. I was already reactionary and fascism would have required less work of me. That’s not the same thing. And it lets people off the hook to suggest otherwise.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is it insulting? I didn't say it was you. Fascism is a social phenomenon driven almost entirely by men. That doesn't mean all men are fascists, or that there is something wrong with masculinity. It's about certain men in certain situations reacting in what is an entirely predictable way. It is perhaps an insult to fascist men, but I'm comfortable insulting them.

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I wasn’t insulted by what you said and I’m not a man

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ok so ur smart enough not to be a fascist congratulations for achieving the bare minimum. Do u think most people are bright enough to go "ohhh yeah fascism is my fault because of the gender i was born i shall apologise for my genders ancestors actions" or do they go "no fuck you and fuck everything you stand for"?

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

ohhh yeah fascism is my fault

I mean if the shoe fits

because of the gender i was born

it's this aggrieved "wah poor me for being born a man" shit that makes people disregard your bullshit in the first place. whatever happened to masculinity being defined by setting your jaw, gritting your teeth, and fixing your own fuckeries before they could adversely harm your surroundings?

i shall apologise for my genders ancestors actions

literally the bare fucking minimum a cracker could do and you phrase it like it's an impossible fucking pipe dream. and you wonder why people disregard and avoid bullshit peddlers like you.

christ, our species is cooked if you're an example of the kind of man the future has to look forward to

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

Did someone ask all men to apologize for something?

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 8 points 1 month ago

Your misconstruing the statement. Fascism is a way for insecure men to feel powerful. These men are feeling insecure due to lack of job prospects, lack of honest to God to physical insecurity, and that also makes them less desirable to potential mates.

The way to protect against fascism is to ensure proper addressing of Maslow‘s-goddamn-hierarchy of needs. Endstage, capitalism leads to fascism, but it has to secure itself in spreading racism and sexism.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I knew it as soon as I read your ‘Tate is right’ bullshit.

So facism is mens fault?

Yes. Men had all the political power in the countries that turned to fascism in the past. If you knew any history this would be obvious.

I wonder how that effects a young man who isnt a facist while they are developing?

The same way that one woman having an abortion harms another woman; not at all.

Ur narrative is actively harming young men and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

It’s room temperature IQ weakling reactionaries like you that are harming young men. Real men stand against fascists.

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Yes. Men had all the political power in the countries ~~that turned to fascism in the past~~. If you knew any history this would be obvious.

this is kind of meaningless to point out, since men also had the power in every country that turned towards socialism, gave or took away rights, started and ended wars, etc.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only possible explanation for any of this is that men are bad and we should definitely not examine the underlying causes and material conditions at all.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Great idea im sure them killing themselves at record rates must be an anomoly.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well, you can prove anything with facts.