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Mozilla to expand focus on advertising - "We know that not everyone in our community will embrace our entrance into this market" (blog.mozilla.org)

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[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well, do you subscribe to news sites, YouTube Premium, Kagi? The world you dream of is available to you today

[–] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even of they reduced everything down to just Firefox, Thunderbird, and all in infra to run those products (Mozilla accounts, addons stores, hosting, dev/build services...), as well as continuing to pay for dev time on open source they use/contribute to, and the time their employees put into w3c and other foundation/standards/steering initiatives, I don't think you'd want to see the cost of a monthly subscription.

This stuff costs way more than people think it does, and behind the scenes Mozilla does a lot of work (with google, Microsoft, apple) on web standards, and trust me, you want them still involved seeing as each other browser group involved is well... You know... Much worse for privacy generally.

YouTube premium and kagi aren't even remotely in the same league for comparison when it comes to the cost and value a "Firefox" or "Mozilla" subscription would be.

[–] abbenm@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right, I think people forget that Opera used to be funded by a subscription. But they had to move away from it because it just didn't work. I think the golden age of Opera was shortly after they dropped that. And I dearly miss Opera as they were before they switched over to Chromium.

I think the history of early to mid Opera is the perfect example of actually wise and interesting and innovative software choices. They were in very early on things like browser extensions, and they had incredible innovations like Opera Unite, Opera Turbo, and all kinds of incredible customization. But I suppose in some ways they're also a chilling tale of what could happen, because I'm pretty sure they sold to a Chinese company, switched to developing on Chromium, and seem to have abandoned the ethos of innovating. I know that some of the original developers from Opera went on to create Vivaldi but that too is based on Chromium.

[–] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Was never much of an opera user, but I have enjoyed vivaldi quite a bit. I don't see myself using vivaldi due to the chromium aspect. I used to keep it around for the random chrome-only sites but that's way too uncommom nowadays.

Lately safari/gnome web (i.e. WebKit engine) have gotten good enough to be my pwa installer browser depending on my OS, though i really hope firefox re-implements PWA support sooner than later.

[–] funtrek@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago

Actually, I do. I have a YouTube Premium subscription and subscriptions for two news sites. And on top of that a ton of Patreon subscriptions and offline memberships. I am the one who ~~knocks~~ pays.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

I subscribe to Nebula because f*ck Google, and I'd pay for Kagi if I could just simply pay $X for Y searches with no subscription BS.