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Same! I was hoping for a while that there would be a fediverse version of reddit. And it's succeeded beyond my wildest hopes. Other than the misinformation, but I suppose that's a problem everywhere.

Psst you're literally on the fediverse right now.

Oof. I want to cheer this project on as much as anybody, but there's no two ways around it, those terms have every appearance of being extreme and expansive. Just to copy it here for others to see:

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I've just blocked one spammy russia apologist who is extremely prolific. Although I am disappointed that the community tolerates them. I feel Lemmy has an unresolved Russia apologist problem.

Understood, you are exactly right about that. What you've described filters out third parties. I think most conceptions of ranked choice voting by contrast would give them more of a chance, but granted that's not how it works everywhere.

Low effort shitposts like this that ignore the point of the person you are responding to, that is what makes the internet a bad place.

That means that until and unless a 3rd party candidate manages to completely overshadow one of the major political parties, which is effectively never going to happen,

It could happen sometimes, although it's admittedly rare. Maine has an independent senator, Nebraska has an independent senator who's running a strikingly close race against the Republican. In Alaska a couple of years ago the same thing happened although the independent didn't win. I think Jesse Ventura was an independent in Minnesota. But they are one-off cases and not a systematically viable across the whole system.

but for me all the downballot third party candidates are eliminated in the primaries.

What do you mean? A primary would be where Democrats narrow their choices to one nominee, and Republicans do, and third parties do and so on. You seem to be suggesting that primaries filter out third party candidates? Maybe I'm just missing something but my understanding would be that a primary would just be a way that a third party chooses a single nominee, same as the first two parties.

If states can override ballot measures regarding legal cannabis, and they have repeatedly, they can override this.

Has that happened? I'm not doubting you, but overall the trend has overwhelmingly been in the direction of adoption. It's also just a bizarre example to choose since it seems to me like most of those initiatives have been successful and if anything have illustrated the connection between voting and noticeable change.

Which, come to think of it, it's probably why trolls don't use it anymore as an example of an issue pretend to care about when they search for reasons to tell people to disengage from democracy.

You said to not vote third party, so you can’t vote for rcv.

Not only did they literally not say that... actually no, let's just pause on this. This is so confused it's actually kind of amazing. Explaining how first past the post works is not saying don't vote third party. You could still like a third party the most independent of electoral concerns. And explaining the strategic reasoning for choosing one of the two major parties isn't the same as saying you "should" vote for them in a moral sense.

Voting to enact a ranked choice voting system isn't the same as voting for a third part. You could want rank choice voting even if you favored one of the two major parties but don't want them to lose narrow elections when they might be the winning coalition. You could hate the third party and still want rank choice voting. You can both support a third party and support rank choice voting and understand that they are two entirely separate things.

And I suppose the cherry on top is you referred to them as "you" like it was a single person in a comment chain where it's three comments by three different people.

Truly a magnificent multi-layered piece of confusion, chefs kiss, five stars, two thumbs up, etc etc.

The great thing about this topic is this exact argument has already played out in a very recent historical example. You could, and many people did, make this exact argument in 2016, and it produced the very decisions we're talking about. And now, evidently having not followed that thread of cause and effect at all, you're back saying the same argument again.

It's precisely because SCOTUS appointees lock in long term consequences that impact multiple future administrations that they are important, and a clear example of where differences in power lead to different outcomes.

This has always been the obvious weak spot in the "both sides are the same" argument. The only answer anybody has come up with is to constantly change the subject. Which is the tell.

Nope, not even close to what I said.