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The Dislike to Ubuntu (lemmy.world)
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I know there are lots of people that do not like Ubuntu due to the controversies of Snaps, Canonicals head scratching decisions and their ditching of Unity.

However my experience using Ubuntu when I first used it wasn't that bad, sure the snaps could take a bit or two to boot up but that's a first time thing.

I've even put it on my younger brothers laptop for his school and college use as he just didn't like the updates from Windows taking away his work and so far he's been having a good time with using this distro.

I guess what I'm tryna say is that Ubuntu is kind of the "Windows" of the Linux world, yes it's decisions aren't always the best, but at least it has MUCH lenient requirements and no dumb features from Windows 11 especially forced auto updates.

What are your thoughts and experiences using Ubuntu? I get there is Mint and Fedora, but how common Ubuntu is used, it seemed like a good idea for my bros study work as a "non interfering" idea.

Your thoughts?

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[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Term

The issue is that, no Ubuntu is not "the Windows" of Linux.

First of all this statement makes no sense. You could say "the Samsung of the Android world" as Samsung Android is a Distribution that looks nice and many people think it is nice to use (leaving out that it is the most spyware-riddled software on locked devices with horrible customer treatment)

Windows is just one OS. Android is an easy variant of Linux, and Ubuntu was one too.

Nowadays, uBlue Aurora/Bazzite would be my "best Desktop Linux", because they implement all the great, easy and modern stuff of Fedora Atomic Desktops, while also removing stupid opinionated things, and adding packages they legally simply cannot ship.

Updates & Upgrades

Ubuntu is not easy anymore. Distro upgrades are a mess and break. I had 12 laptops, all had the same 3 issues and updates took forever.

Ubuntu requires a sudo account for them to even work, a nonsudoer gets an update message but clicking it does nothing.

I.e. they dont use polkit, unlike Fedora for example.The paradigm of

  1. Needing a user with sudo rights to use a system, otherwise an admin needs to login every week and do the GUI updates
  2. Updates and upgrades being a privileged action that requires root permission

Is just bad. Android works without root since forever, and I would say it is the easiest Linux distro out there.

Style

They have their own strange icons, which look worse than GNOMEs. They have their own strange store instead of using and improving GNOME Software.

Their design sucks in comparison to Manjaro if you ask me. Most personal point of this list. Many other Distros just ship GNOME, do the packaging and leave the Branding to small changes, and the upstream DE.

Snaps

Snaps are not cross platform, while Flatpak exists and is cross platform.

Ubuntu doesnt even have uptodate flatpak and dependencies in their repos so the Flatpak project maintains like 6 PPAs just to run them on Ubuntu.

Snaps are not cross platform because they rely on AppArmor for sandboxing, and afaik custom AppArmor patches that are not in upstream.

This means Snaps on Fedora and others would run Snaps unsandboxed.

Technically they are fine. Pretty normal approach. But their repo hat big malware issues and they only allow a single one, which is a total nogo for any opensource project.

Snaps installed by other users with sudo cannot be opened by other users. You need to install them per-user, no other option possible.

Flatpak requires wheel/sudo too, I need to make a Fedora Change request to fix that, my previous one got rejected...

Variants & LTS

They only ship KDE on the LTS variant, which means by now it is very outdated. KDE is the most windows-like desktop, and also has the most features, by far. I tried GNOME and made a writeup on Fedora discuss.

Bloat

They bloat (at least) their (LTS) variants with tons of deb packages.

Safety & Snapshots

They dont integrate timeshift or other backup systems. Linux Mint and OpenSUSE are better here. Fedora Atomic Desktops too, while traditional Fedora not.