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Don't forget Snow White who looks like a white person but is mixed-race white and Latina, so she isn't white enough to play Snow White.
And also don't forget the very light-skinned black woman who couldn't play Cleopatra because Cleopatra wasn't black. (How do we know? We don't? Cool. Cool cool cool.)
How would cleopatra not be white?
Because we don't know who her mother was.
But she ruled so it would be presumably nobility and thus not black?
Sorry... what are you talking about?
Well I was going by the logic that illegitimate child wouldn't tule Egypt, but that may in fact that be the case, but the argument that her mother isn't known for sure as an argument that she was black is not very strong, when the only depiction of her being black comes from Jada I cheat on my husband then make him talk about it on video Smith
You're still making no sense.
What does illegitimacy have to do with it?
Why can't her father have been legitimately married to a dark-skinned woman?
Edit: Wait, you know the Ptolemys, like all pharaohs, had multiple wives, right?
Probably went into it thinking with a too European, bloodline, mindset
What's funny to me is that all the people complaining that she was too dark had no problem with the fact that she was too beautiful.
Well to be fair that's a coin from thousands of years ago, even today it's not hard to make absolutely deformed shit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43598431
Though I wouldn't be surprised either if her famous beauty was widespread sarcasm that got taken seriously, and it also wouldn't surprise me if she was actually beautiful and people wanted to demean her, like Napoleon is depicted as short even though he wasnt
As far as I know, Caesar and Anthony wrote about being attracted to her intelligence, not her looks.
There has been unmistakenly black pharaohs, they came from what is now Sudan, but ruled the whole Egypt of the time. I'm not saying Cleopatra is related to them, but black pharaohs did happen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt
Yeah I know about them, also there were some pretty powerful rulers and kingdoms in Africa, I don't have an issue with that, but when Jada Smith makes a "documentary" about how she was black, without scientific consensus then that's kinda wrong imo, it would actually be cultural appropriation unlike copying some haircut
What's known of her ancestry is mostly Macedonia Greek with some Persian and Sogdian Iranian descent. What's left would probably either have been more of the same or north African, which still isn't black. Her coinage (which she would have approved her depiction on) and her busts that are considered most likely to be accurate (because they agree with the coinage) depict her as Greek, so she at least primarily thought of herself as a Greek.
A very light skinned black woman is about the darkest she hypothetically might have been based on what we know of her lineage. Something closer to half Greek and half Arab is probably closer.
Yes. Because the noble lineage was passed through her father. We don't know who her mother was.
"latina/o" is not a race aso yeah, that doesn't make sense.
There's no race in current humanity, it's a cultual thing with no scientific backing so you can make whatever you want like the USA administration did for their convenience.
I think a lot of la Raza would disagree with you there.
You do realize that that is mainly from a USA point of of view and mostly directed towards mexico, right? So this isnt't only kinda xenophobic but you're basically telling me I should consider myself a different race because random yankees think I am? Yeah, no thanks. The country you were born in does not determine your race.
Race doesn't really exist*. No one can tell you you're a race you don't think you are
*I mean it exists, but it's a social construct that only has any meaning because we give it meaning culturally. Any person with a particular racial identity, in a different cultural context, could have a different racial identity. Would have a different racial identity, most likely. But that doesn't mean the concept is meaningless, just that its meaning is derived from its use, rather than the other way around.
You do know that there is no scientific definition of race, right?
Also, she's from the U.S., so...
Who is "she"? The acress in the live action mermaid movie? I literally never talked about her, so...
No, the actress in Snow White. The one I called mixed-race. And then you said that she wasn't mixed-race because Latina isn't a race. Caught up now?