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Let me preface by saying, I have my SUV all set up with a bed and a kitchen and all the amenities I need to camp out in the woods. I like it that way I'm enjoying myself I see no reason to change.

A couple of times I have mentioned that when seeing a doctor and the next thing I know, here comes the social worker with a stack of papers. I tell them that I'm doing fine. That I like how I'm living. I didn't ask for any unsolicited help. And they don't seem to listen at all. At some point they just leave me with a bunch of paperwork in a huff. I don't understand why they get so upset just because I don't want their help.

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[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (6 children)

It's the taking it personally part I don't understand. I say I'm fine, I don't need any help. Have a nice day. That should be the end of it.

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 86 points 2 months ago

I doubt they're taking it personally. A lot of people who very much do need help say the same thing you did, and they don't know you. All they know is that you're unhoused and refusing assistance.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would suggest framing your position in a different way. Maybe start by acknowledging that others may not choose this lifestyle but that you do it willingly and explain why you prefer it. You're coming across defensively in this thread and if you're also coming across that way in your communications with social workers I can see why they might not believe that your lifestyle is a choice.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Could be. I'll work on that. I tend to get a little annoyed when I'm offered unsolicited help I guess.

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Thank you for reaching out! I really appreciate the gesture. However I’m very happy to inform you that I’m living a carefully considered and crafted life that I truly enjoy, and wouldn’t change a thing about it. So just mark me down as a ‘Happy Nomad’ and we’re all set! Oh, no thank you. Please save your paperwork / handouts for someone that truly needs your help. Thank you again for stopping by…”

Acknowledged their time, update their records, refuse to waste paper, and show them the door with thank you.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Sounds good. I think I'm just going to not open my big fat mouth next time.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let me give you a related example that should shed light on their stubbornness...

If someone gets in an accident and hits their head, they might have a concussion. How can you tell? Basic first responder training says to ask several questions. What we don't ask is, "Are you OK?" because the patient will say "yes" even when they aren't OK. It's answers to the other questions that give us enough information to get a sense of whether our help is needed.

It's quite possible that some social workers are acting in a similar fashion to first responders here. They want the details because their checklist is longer than yours. (There are other reasons that social workers might be annoying, as others have explained, too.)

That doesn't negate your frustration, but maybe it helps you understand one cause.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So they might be doing triage

Yeah, because there’s a positive correlation between mental health issues and homelessness. I’m not super shocked that people in that line of work have difficulty seeing the distinction between homelessness and a strongly nomadic lifestyle. The “they seem offended” vibe might actually be more along the lines of frustration and sadness that they THINK you need help but are refusing to let them help you. At the same time, I dated a girl who was a social worker years ago, and she absolutely knew some people in the field who just straight up had a savior complex and would get angry at people who wouldn’t accept help… so it could be that too.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Social workers are typically people who love to help people, it gives their life meaning and purpose. They have helped numerous people in rough situations get a comfortable living situation and have no further need of assistance and every time they are over the moon with joy for what they have been able to do for that person.

They meet people who genuinely need help that they can provide and are turned down because of pride/humiliation. Some of those people just need them to be persistent for their help to be accepted.

It must be so soul crushing and demoralizing to have someone you believe you can help tell you to take it on the arches.

While you don't need their help and are happy living as you do, they think you do need their help and won't accept it. Your radical freedom breaks their well-meaning, but misguided, hearts.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not trying to crush anybody.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You are just trying to live your life and it is so unimaginable an existence that it is incongruous with their concept of a comfortable life.

There is nothing wrong with your life, so long as you are happy and healthy. There is nothing wrong with their concept of a comfortable life. Both are shaped by notions derrived from life experience and personal prioritizations and either party cannot hold the other to be worthwhile without a greater understanding of the individual.

Hurting someone else's feelings is an unavoidable truth in living a radically different path that they do not understand.

The best you can do for them is to try and help them see that their path is not the only one. Help them to understand your needs are met and you respect their path.

Next time, you can try to help them understand that they can offer nothing of value that will make your life better for you and give them an opportunity to understand you are whole in your path. Ask them what they want your life to be like, what your life is lacking, what they can do for you, and address each of their points with salient and cogent arguments that express your contention in your life's circumstances.

If their best efforts have no value to you, help them understand that, if you don't want to hurt their well intentioned efforts.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

That does seem like a nicer way of saying it

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For a lot of people it's difficult to understand that anyone would genuinely prefer not living in a house. The word homeless does not give the best connotations after all.

You can insist you're fine, but men tend to do that anyway. The social worker might have grown up in bad conditions with a father insisting he's fine and refusing to receive help, for all we know. There's several reasons they could take it personally. And men who refuse to receive help when they need it can be frustrating to watch - chances are you're wrongfully considered part of that category.

[–] Kintarian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Could be. I have been known to do that.