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[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Half of us....Let's not other-ize them because I'm assuming you are also American, and like it or not they are our fucking peers.

One way or another they are our fucking problem to deal with unfortunately. I know you didn't really mean it like that most likely, but I think it is important to recognize that we have to accept the reality of the society we are living in no matter how much we fucking hate it.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

No, I did mean it like that.

I'm absolutely certain I'm a "them" to them. They're trying to turn my country into a shit hole that's dangerous for people like me and even more dangerous for people I care about. So fuck them. I'm willing to forgive the simpletons who don't understand what they're doing, but there is no "us" anymore unless and until they give up entirely on their dreams of building a racially pure fascist theocracy and do a really, really good job of showing they're sincere and remorseful. Their leaders need to be swinging from ropes just like the Nazis convicted at Nuremberg, or at least rotting in prison. I won't be holding my breath for that to happen.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The thing I believe you are missing in your assessment is that it took outside forces to overcome Nazism in Germany, and Fascism in Europe more broadly.

Nobody is coming to save us this time. We are the world's leading nuclear superpower. So, any attempt to change course is going to have to come from within unless we are talking about destroying civilization entirely.

I don't see a way that outside diplomacy is going to have any effect either. We must accept the reality we are in, and fight back by using grassroots methods to stop the radicalization of our peers.

I grant you that it feels like a hopeless battle at times, but so do all wars of attrition. I understand the anger and the fear. It is justified. However, we need to be clear eyed and sober minded about the reality we are living in. So, I think my original point still stands.