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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Solan panels on vehicles sounds like a great idea but the physics makes it a stupid gimmick.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You also have to clean them constantly in this application, I imagine.

I guess they could make some kind of windshield wiper for the solar panels.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

The top of my car is rarely dirty.

[–] olicvb@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How so? Is it that they aren't efficient enough to be worth the materials it's made from?

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Power to weight ratio favors permanent fixed installations. A car roof is far too small to make a useful amount of energy.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Power to weight doesn't matter as we are talking about using a solar panel instead of a roof. There's no added weight. The car will already have inbuilt inverters so the only real weight add is the wiring. But also, this is a postal vehicle which will have large swings in weight anyways. A couple of extra pounds doesn't make a difference here.

Further, this isn't a car, which has a much smaller surface area. These things have about 10 square meters of flat roof. That's a peak output of ~3kW. (realistically, probably closer to 1.5kW average throughout a day) which translates into 12kWh of charge in any given day. Roughly 10% of the battery capacity could be restored daily.

For large vehicles, like delivery vehicles and busses, the math on making the roof out solar panels instead of steel changes.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A roof only needs to be a thin piece of sheet metal, weighing somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-2lbs per square foot

Most solar panels are going to weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-4lbs per square foot. So is likely the panel would weigh 2-4 times as much as just a plain metal roof, plus possibly a metal roof under it and/or additional framing to attach the panels to, so power to weight does absolutely come into play.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That comes in at an additional 400lbs on a vehicle that weighs 6,670 lbs if you assume the maximal weight of the panels and the need for a metal roof anyways. That extra 6% weight just doesn't matter. 6% losses range for 12% free charging seems like a worthy tradeoff to me. (and again, this is the maximal value).

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

That extra 6% weight just doesn't matter.

LOL weight is incredibly important. Automakers would kill puppies for a 6% weight reduction.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

6% weight increase doesn't necessarily mean a 6% efficiency loss, it's not a simple linear relationship like that. Depending on the power of the motor and a few other factors that 6% weight increase could mean a huge hit to efficiency.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

It's cheaper to put a light roof on a car, buy the same area of solar cells, set them up to charge a battery, and charge the car off that battery, than it is to buy a custom, toughened, solar cell the area of the roof.

Plus, you don't have to haul around the extra weight at the worst location for weight in a vehicle.