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[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you not know what the structure of China is?

Serious question, do you? When I criticise the US I do so from a position of knowing how power works between its three branches of government, how the senate works, how local governance works, how elections work, how the courts work. Do you know how China conducts any of these? Do you know how they govern 1.6billion people?

[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's a one-party state with all candidates chosen by the party.

It may wear the skin of a democracy, but it is not a democracy.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a one-party state with all candidates chosen by the party.

It may wear the skin of a democracy, but it is not a democracy.

This is the vaguest description ever and it's not even correct with the vague points. There are multiple parties, and given that there are multiple parties the candidates certainly aren't chosen by one party.

How are candidates chosen? Who elects them? When are elections held? What is the structure of the elections?

Do you know any of these things? Serious question. Have you ever investigated and learned this topic thoroughly? You know how the US system works I assume, I bet you vaguely understand some other systems too, like parliamentary ones such as the UK (or not, could be wrong). Have you ever actually investigated the topic or have you just passively repeated vague statements made by other people who are also passively repeating vague statements about it?

If you want me to I can in fact give you a fairly good summary of how the Chinese system actually works. But do you even want to know? Are you actually open to learning?

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Democracy is when you vote between red man and blue man, both of whom have the same policies.

[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And both are funded by the same Bankers, Weapons Makers and Resource Extractors

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Though, in fairness, red man is actively hostile to LGBT people, migrants, and women whereas blue man is content to let LGBT people, migrants, and women suffer via apathetic neglect instead.

Truly a vibrant political system.

[–] MultigrainCerealista@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Democracy is when The People Decide if trans people should exist but the tax rate policy is written by the rich

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Weird how democracy didn't stop the genocide of the Native Americans, or the Aboriginal People of Australia, or the First Nations. I guess "true democracy" has just never been tried.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

lmao dog you shoulda just said "i don't know anything about that, why don't you tell me?"

it still would have taken you zero effort and you'd have avoided embarrassing yourself

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

It's a one-party state with all candidates chosen by the party.

I much prefer all those two or three party states where the candidates are chosen by their respective parties on the marching orders of the capitalist class

[–] Giyuu@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

So you don't know the structure

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

According to their respective peoples, China has an infinitely more vibrant and responsive democracy than the United States.

I'd hate to think you'd be so blind to the irony of saying such a thing as 'wearing the skin of democracy' if you were living in the west.

Either way I'd be ashamed to act like you have and speak despite having such ignorance about the Chinese system of democracy.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

President for life doesn't sound democratic.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Term limits that silence the will of the people don't sound democratic to me

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Neither does censoring criticism of the government and proxy depictions of it.

Imagine for a split second that the strongest government in the world is constantly attempting to cause the overthrow of your legitimately popular government, despite it being popular and significantly beloved by almost all people there. This external, most powerful government in the world tried to cause unrest in every possible way, including funding all opposition groups and organizations regardless of their violent/genocidal intent (e.g. Falun Gong, Islamic terror groups) and cause unrest on your borders (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Korea).

What do you do? When good faith polling shows that you're popular and fulfilling the needs and desires of your country's working class but a foreign press tries to speak about the terribleness and need for overthrow, do you just let that happen with more money and propoganda than you can possibly provide to support yourself? Or do you censor the BS and report to your population that these images/ideas/orgs are actually subversive and attempting to change the government they legitimately love.

In this hypothetical situation, what do you propose? Allowing the propaganda but claiming it's wrong has failed in many projects, and resulted in massacres once fascism won (Chile, Indonesia). Just trying to set up a wall of no information works for a bit, but info can cross anyways (USSR). Allowing limited access if you search for it but not allowing it's widespread propagation is the method of china. A VPN allows you to see it all, but it can't be spread too widely before it is stopped from being viral.

Do you have a better solution? Because this is how China presents itself and how the Chinese population sees it

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

What's that got to do with China?