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Baby boomers are fleeing Donald Trump and switching allegiance to Harris
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this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2024
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You might be making a classical correlation is not causation mistake here. There are a lot of separate reasons to prefer Harris over Trump.
Where were you for the past few decades when centrists were gleefully announcing that all wins are because they moved to the right, and any losses are because they were too far to the left?
Here in Europe, where we are not burdened by two-party systems :-|
Except the UK (and Belarus I guess). Imo OPs statement rings true for British politics as well
In Europe, literal fascists are elected to parliament.
Let's not jerk ourselves into a frenzy here.
Ugh, but I was so close...
That one 100% is. They post regularly around here claiming that their protests are the reason Biden step down. Not the hulking disaster that was his debate performance. For 6 months protestors screamed at the president and not the congress that was responsible. With no result. Well detached from reality.
It's depressing that so many with that mentality exist. Or at least are so loud. The myopic focus on the president who doesn't authorize Aid or fund Aid to foreign governments. Has led to real losses for those of us that want to see Israel held accountable for their genocide. A number of National Congress people who are profile signed have lost their positions. Effectively being replaced by much more pro-israel people. And all this time of After ignoring Senate and House races. Not Fielding and supporting better candidates to take part of the body that actually could fix this. There's still threatening to hurt the few who remain by threatening to take away the party's control of another branch of government. They still haven't realized that holding yourself hostage leaves you with no Leverage realistically.
The mentality that protests are effective?
I could as easily voice my sadness that mentalities like yours are so prevalent. How do you believe politics work? Do politics happen in tv and the ballot box only? Do you claim the protests had no effect at all? Even if that were true your words have the effect of dismissing direct action, deriding that type of participation in politics. What good purpose do these words serve?
Finally, your... outrageous dismissal of bidens role in the genocide "those people" have been "screaming about" is... Well i'm not going there. If youve come to that conclusion somehow it ain't gone be me what changes it.
How can it be that you spent energy remembering ensign_crabs name but not enough to understand a thing theyve posted? If you're going to ad hominem, then a cultered commenter demands you provide more evidence than your fee-feez.
Write less, pardner. You don't see enough to say anything useful, and certainly not enough to cast stones.
Please do quote where I said that. I never did and never would. Because it's been very effective in my state. We lost an elected Pro Palestinian Congress person. Now I would say that has as much or more to do with them having been a week candidate in the first place. But you cannot argue that that is not an effect.
No the mentality I spoke of was the one you so elegantly demonstrated just now. A complete lack of introspection, or genuinely trying to engage with those that disagree. Arguing past people with strawmen. Assuming them to be, and making them the enemy and not a potential ally.
Everything we do has an opportunity cost. We can't do "everything" we have to pick and choose where our attention and effort goes. As an anarchist I believed protesting is generally good and should be disruptive. And that everyone is free to decide where and how they do it. I'm also free to point out the issues with it. But I can be honest and acknowledge that some protesting and actions are better and more effective. Which certain people can't.
I like the fantasy that all Americans are secret hard core leftists. They aren't unfortunately. Most barely approach center. And that all protest is equally effective and good. It's not either.
The people screaming at presidential candidates. Haven't accomplished anything. They can show no causation between their efforts and Biden stepping down. The fact that he was replaced not with a better more Palestine friendly candidate. But someone from his own administration. His own VP and current running mate. Really speaks to the opposite. That they are still ignoring a lot of these protests.
And why wouldn't they? This model of protesting is a lot like protesting Coca-Cola still operating in israel. By standing out front by the Pepsi Bottling plant and yelling at the people inside. It is entirely possible that Coca-Cola Executives might see it and decide that maybe they should stop just so they don't have to deal with that themselves someday. Or they might just ignore it. Which as long as they're making money would be the most likely outcome.
The president at best has leeway to choose how to implement congress's plans where it is not specified. But Congress can still rebuke and override the president at any point they want beyond being stopped by the Supreme Court. Pick out the best profalestinian Advocate you can think of. And now assume they somehow got elected to the office of president. As president realistically they would have a very little influence or control over us aid to Israel. And will be overridden in a heartbeat by our Congress full of Zionist Pro Israeli members.
Because congress, the thing we've largely been ignoring. Has always been the problem. Not specifically the president. Yes Biden should hold Israel's feet to the fire as much as he can. He should have done better. And I have hope that Harris will do better. But it was always for not if we didn't fix Congress. And I get it. People hate being told that their efforts were misguided and ineffective. Worse to feel like or find out that they have been manipulated. But it's really sad to see so many self-professed people on the left behaving like magats. Unable to accept criticism and doubling down irrationally.
how bout i quote this tirade?
This is just more proof you need to speak less and read more. Fuck son, at least proofread your own damn comments so i don't have to struggle like this
That's talking about their protest specifically. Not protest in general. So just as I thought you were being disingenuous.
disengenous huh?
you little shit
i could go line by line through our interactions and point out how disingenous most of your words are, or even how you deny my accusations and prove me right in the same comment, like the one you just made... but the only thing i'd ever receive from you is wild unhinged wordsalad, and that is not a good value-return for my investment of time. so here's what we're gonna do.
Name calling. Predictable.
Oh good. My stalker is here.
While everyone knows who you are sweetheart you aren't that important. :-)
If everyone knows who I am, you don't need to follow me around badmouthing me just because I'm not all-in on the genocide that gives your life meaning.